Is Consumer Choice Marketing a Scam?
If you have been a reader of this blog for any time, you know that I have a HUGE PROBLEM with ANYTHING that seems like a scam. I’ve questioned Quicken Loans…Capital One Financial…Astonish Results and others.
Several of the things we’ve looked into and asked for input on still seem scam-like today, while others seem more legitimate after getting comments and feedback from people who support their company or cause.
TEAM CCM may be a scam that I brought on myself.
Sadly to say, over a year ago, I paid to be a part of Consumer Choice Marketing. I was paying to become a broker of natual gas service to business customers in Ohio and Michigan. This seemed like an incredible opportunity for a guy who loves to sell and loves to save people money. I trusted the gentleman who SOLD ME on the service…but today that same guy is no longer with the company.
Anyways, things never really played out like I was sold. While I was selling, we were not able to sell gas against Michigan Gas Utilities in SE Michigan. This was a big problem for me and others.
Well, what do you think? I would love to hear different views. I’m sure there are folks out there who have made millions selling natural gas…but not me. There was never enough consistency in the process, and I was never able to build the sales organization that I needed to gain critical mass. Also, it was very strange to me that the executive who introduced me to the company was simply gone several months after I paid my “utility broker fees.”
Thanks for the input…let’s find out if I was duped!
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May 8th, 2010 at 8:18 pm
Damn, this is terrible to know. The problem is that these scam-esters are so convincing you hardly ever make out what is happening
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GEO.Pros Reply:
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:13 am
Nothing to “DAMN” about, that which requires some to “work with their hands to eat”.
Happy to see more than the usual human nature of 20% hard workers helping others to be part of the 50% in life, working! Sorry to see the same 30% looking for the “casino” route to Networking, and forgetting their customers to be gathered…
Proven fast start assistance helps.
440-667-8729
And I spoke with Jim. Very open to useful data and facts to consider. Value of expert assistance is clearly worth ~ $9. per week, right?! And the first restaurant account pays 52/(+13 more than the 39.95) anyways. The cafe broker is nearing 120/month in the 2nd month!!!
Still excited I am.
Still showing only a 4 th broker the ropes of STRONG COMMERCIAL CCM / OPTIONS ENERGY HELPS.
Still entering larger and larger accounts, IE chain stores timed out of passed contracts; and I was there FOR THEM.
Still glad to see CCM/OPTIONS Energy tolerating my ~ 2 hours (@ Pro-Tech fees by ATTY etc ~ like =to 500/weekly support) each week and personal attention trained through the successful Matrix Loving Marketing (MLM) herein!
And if my musician-transparent wife is happy with the CCM PEOPLE/team support and growth, -well- that is all I need to say.
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James Roguski Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 3:46 am
I hope someone in this forum can help me locate some CCM information. I have asked around and this information seems to be unavailable. I would like a definitive answer if anyone KNOWS the answer.
The CCM Statement of Policies and Procedures, Section 1.1 – Code of Ethics,
states that all representatives promise that:
“I will correctly represent all the bonus/compensation plans available through CCM and the income potential represented therein. I understand that I may not use my own income as an indication of others’ potential success, or use compensation checks as marketing materials. I further understand that I may only disclose my CCM income to recruit a potential distributor(s) after I have given a copy of the Income Disclosure Statement (IDS) to the potential distributor(s). A copy of the Income Disclosure Statement can be obtained at http://www.teamccm.com/IDS.”
Section 3 – Income Disclosure Policy repeats:
“In an effort to conduct best business practices, CCM has developed the Income Disclosure Statement (“IDS”). The CCM IDS is designed to convey truthful, timely, and comprehensive information regarding the income that CCM distributors earn. In order to accomplish this objective, a copy of the IDS must be presented to all prospective distributors.
A copy of the IDS must be presented to a prospective distributor (someone who is not a party to a current CCM Distributor Agreement) anytime the Compensation Plan is presented or discussed, or any type of income claim or earnings representation is made.”
and it goes on to repeat yet again…
“In any non-public meeting (e.g., a home meeting, one on one, regardless of venue) with a prospective distributor or distributors in which the Compensation Plan is discussed or any type of income claim is made, you must provide the prospect(s) with a copy of the IDS. In any meeting that is open to the public in which the Compensation Plan is discussed or any type of income claim is made, you must provide every prospective distributor with a copy of the IDS. In any meeting in which any type of video display is utilized (e.g., monitor, television, projector, etc.) a slide of the IDS must be placed at the end of the presentation, visible for all to see. Copies of the IDS may be printed or downloaded from the company website at http://www.teamccm.com
The first link is broken. I can’t find an IDS on the corporate site. It seems that no IDS is available. I have asked distributors if one exists. Has anyone ever seen this IDS? If you have, could you forward it to me if you have one.
I’m seriously considering CCM, but how can I obey the stated policies and procedures without a IDS?
You can reach me at 310-619-3055.
Thanks.
James Roguski
P.S.
I have also been trying to sort out the service areas. The following list is the best that I have been able to compile, but I suspect that service is NOT available everywhere within these states (i.e. – customers with some incumbent providers are not able to switch their service). Are there accurate maps or utility lists???
Residential Electricity
Pennsylvania
Texas
Commercial Electricity
California
Connecticut
Illinois
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New York
Ohio
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island
Texas
Washington D.C.
Commercial Gas
California
Colorado
Florida
Georgia
Indiana
Kentucky
Michigan
New Mexico
New York
Ohio
Oklahoma
Pennsylvania
Texas
Residential Gas
California
Georgia
Kentucky
Michigan
New Jersey
New York
Ohio
Pennsylvania
Whoever can help get me this information will certainly impress.
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Joe Ostervik Reply:
March 19th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
Has anybody got back to you? I’ve been a rep since Decmeber 2008. Yes there has been a few ups and downs and now the company is running full tilt. They had problems with the IT company they had hired. The IT company wasn’t survicing them properly. CCM finally had to fire the IT company and they had to basically start all over. Now CCM has inhouse IT people and things are going well for CCM. Your list is pretty close we just added a few more residential electricty states. Please call me if you like 517-548-1954. Nothing is ever perfect! It’s not a get rich quick scam like all these other companies you have to do a little work to make it work. You can’t just expect people to fall at your feet. If you don’t talk who’s going to listen! We now have 2 new posititions to get into the company we can offer it to non profit no start up costs just the monthly fee and to a basic rep with only $50 start up cost and the monthly fee.
Thanks
Joe Ostervik
Regional Director
Brett Reply:
March 23rd, 2011 at 1:37 am
After reading your post and problems James, it seems like you need to do some more homework on the De-regulation of energy. After looking at this business model I strongly suggest it. The energy business is a great business to get in. Just one problem you need the right mentorship to guide you and to find a company that is a right fit for you. Wish my company was out there because you seem like you have the desire to become a leader. Don’t give up, just find a better Direct Sales company to work with. Also for a good read get the book “Three Feet from Gold” I think you just might thank me later.
James Roguski Reply:
March 24th, 2011 at 6:08 pm
I’m still looking for a copy of CCM’s mysterious Income Disclosure Statement. It’s interesting how a request for a “required” document results in absolutely no information and a criticism of my knowledge of the energy industry.
To Joe: Thanks for the information about the companies IT issues. However, it doesn’t take an IT professional to upload or email a PDF that is required reading by the company. I just want to see the “required” corporate Income Disclosure Statement. The request still stands. Does anyone have a copy of this “required” document??
To Brett: Perhaps you haven’t read my blog…
http://www.DeregulatedElectricityNow.com
If anybody out there would like to seriously discuss the energy industry in general and CCM in particular, visit my website…
http://www.USAPowerBrokers.com
and feel free to call me directly anytime at 310-619-3055. I would love to speak with you.
TAM Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 10:32 am
Guys,
This is a great conversation, and I’m glad there is a place where we can discuss the merits of a company like CCM. I have another questions though? http://www.thealmostmillionaire.com/is-volunteer-energy-a-scam/ Read this article and let me know what you think. I recently found out that Volunteer Energy is not giving me their best rate, as I was told. Is this commonplace?
Thanks,
-TAM
JP Reply:
September 23rd, 2011 at 8:45 pm
JP SEP 23 2011
WHAAAAAT?
104 accounts, 3 dozen commercial entered for the 9% to 16% savings on their supply bill !!!!
GREAAAAAAAT over any other offerings:
26 states and DC (16 Comm electricity and OHIO Residential in early 2012 !!!)
JUST SAVED $190. on 2 cell smart ph’s
Still saving over 40/mo compared to latest bargans from phones and cable and FAX with clarity: VOIP Phone Power !
What’s your need for feed?/ Financially Exciting Excellent Networks?
NOW CONFIDENTLY PUTTING MANY THOUSANDS IN FROM BOTH RESIDUAL HUNDREDS/mo AS WELL AS LEADS FOR MY GeoThermal HVAC and Commercial Service COMPANY: GEO.Pros
440-285-4977
GTJonP@gmail.com
GEOPROS.org (under more construction )
Saving Uty Costs :
WITH NOW over a dozen restaurants
Nature Centers
Gas Stations
Office Buildings
Distributors in the trades
HOME OWNERS (NEIGHBOR) SAVED OVER $250 last winter !
Cafe owner said HOW DO YOU MAKE MONEY?
2 hours later on TEAMCCM.com/wg
put in 5 cafes SAVING ABOUT $300/month
corporate coming in now !!!
WHY WAIT? ASK / SAVE / WIN WIN WIN !!!
http://www.TEAMCCM/geopros training for commercial
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GEO.Pros JP Reply:
December 30th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
HAPPY NEW YEAR 2012 !!! TEAMCCM OPTIONS ENERGY
Exploding with commercial income and NOW a FREE membership fee 199 WAIVED ONCE PER BROKER IN Nov and Dec 2011 !!!
THE INSURANCE LADY IS IN AND COLLECTING ACCOUNTS as discussed:
SEVERAL (4 OHIO ALONE !)
CHOICE comm ELECTRICITY AND many Gas ! in over 26 states and GROWING over 45000 from 30000 customers (company wide !) since I signed on (immediately saving 40 to 70/monthly on in home office expenses !!! as a Licensed HVAC Contractor).
Hurry !
DeRegulation curve flattens in 2015 paying reps like me for a long time! already10’s of thousands ahead now when you consider NEW COMMERCIAL LEADS TOO FOR MY MARKET !!!
Jim ? How could you miss this?
The disclosure IS ONLY IMPORTANT WHEN PRINTED AND AVAILABLE (and not handed out means “NOT REQUIRED” ).
#2)
Why the side-stepping you don’t ell Electricity Savings in OHIO and many of the states I DO NOW !???
Matrix-Loving-Marketing MLM IS ONLY GREAT WHEN THE NEW REPS CAN WORK AND EARN MANY TIMES THEIR INVESTMENT without sponsoring one person !
\JP is FREE !
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May 9th, 2010 at 1:34 am
I live in Australia so I cannot comment on the CCM scheme in your region but I can add that not so long ago we had our electricity supply broken up into a number of smaller “distributors” all of whom were competing for our business.
I do not mean to hi-jack your thread, just relate a similar story.
All the electricity was still being sent down the same power lines, no one installed any new power stations, our power meters are the same. All that changed was the way in which our bills were printed. We now had a choice of which distributor printed our bills and which one we spoke to when we called about a service matter.
There are ads in the paper all the time calling for *salespeople* to sign up consumers with this or that electricity distributor. I am not sure if they have to pay utility broker fees to join but we get them at the front door now and then selling, begging, pleading with us to change supplier. The only thing is, once you swap, the salespeople from the other distributor then comes knocking.
It all sounds a little scammy to me and maybe similar to CCM, but without the broker fees.
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GEO.Pros Reply:
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:26 am
If it is said, “Who do you know among contractors that know a couple commercial users of electricity and phone ut’ys that could save over regular…?” Then they ask about more information.
Would you know of any contractors who can talk well on 1:1 conversations? Or knowledgable ones who need me to talk with their contacts? Send ‘em to MyUtilityBrokers.com/geopros as your test !
Then have them use the cool calculator (~ 7′o’clock on home page ) – where broker number 2 IMMEDIATELY SAVED 60+ on the 2 cell purchases, and dropped the digital land line for the VoIP line and likes SAVING ~ 6/mo (another 70+/yr, very much!
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GEO.Pros JP Reply:
December 30th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
MIKE !
WAKE UP !
Pulling Electricity and Gas Bills OPENS DOORS FOR MANY NEW COMMERCIAL ACCOUNTS AND INCOME IN 10’s of thousands for me as an HVAC contractor !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JP GEOPROS
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May 9th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
Ya, I had a buddy try to get me to join Team CCM. Seemed like an interesting opportunity, but too much was put on recruiting and not enough on the commercial sale of natural gas. I also couldn’t verify the significant savings to the customer. It did sound very similar to what Mike describes above.
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GEO.Pros Reply:
November 23rd, 2010 at 1:37 am
Hmm:
Does not everyone just “sell” themselves daily?
Why were you on time?
Why was your appearance acceptable for your job under another owner?
Why do you have acceptable self control among piers?
What is so different than acceptable reduced deregulated energy presented by an acceptable representation?
Schemes, like people, vary. Some are the best. A SCHEMATIC is the “near representation” of the blueprint. And the schematic applied with WORK for the functionality of a ‘blueprint’ in ‘the field’ leads to the PERFECT FIT/application meeting the need, only if the origional scheme was A GOOD ONE. Schemes, like electricity, are applied ‘powerfully’ full-of-power, and GOOD, only if you WORK a GOOD ONE.
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Joe Ostervik Reply:
March 19th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
Hello Joe here. We now have a new starter position that a rep can go out and just gather customers. Please call me and I can explain. We also have a position for non profits to join. 517-548-1954.
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GEO.Pros JP Reply:
December 30th, 2011 at 7:00 pm
All who attend meetings KNOW about 1/3 the discussion is as you weigh it.
GET TO WORK !!!!!!!!!!!!!! PULL BILLS and EARN !
JP GEOPROS
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May 10th, 2010 at 1:19 pm
Ultimately, there are some decent people doing this program…You should just really evaluate it and determine if it’s the right fit for you…..I am aware that there are still some problems (recent) and you should really get some answers first. This is not a “trust but verify” opportunity for sure!
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May 11th, 2010 at 3:42 am
Ultimately, there are some decent people doing this program…You should just really evaluate it and determine if it’s the right fit for you…..I am aware that there are still some problems (recent) and you should really get some answers first. This is not a “trust but verify” opportunity for sure!
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May 11th, 2010 at 10:58 am
Ultimately, there are some decent people doing this program…You should just really evaluate it and determine if it’s the right fit for you…..I am aware that there are still some problems (recent) and you should really get some answers first. This is not a “trust but verify” opportunity for sure!
Till then,
Jean
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May 16th, 2010 at 9:13 pm
I don’t believe you were duped. This business is not for everyone though. You can be successful by just gathering customers however you can be even be more successful by gathering customers “and” customer gatherers. It is the difference between addition and multiplication. The two things that drew me to this business is the integrity of the owners and the extensive training available. The more you are plugged into the system the more successful you will become. The reason people fail and even quit this business is because they forget the “work” part of Net”work” marketing. Have questions please give me a call at 330 247-2465. Thank you!
Jim
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May 17th, 2010 at 11:20 am
TAM, I just did a bit more research. CCM is one of those MLM scams. Read my blog post about the usual characteristics, and ultimate fate, of most MLMs. http://nine95.com/beware-mlm-scams/
Some survive longer than a few years as there are enough people coming online every day, trying to get rich quick, to help prop up the pyramid.
There will always be a few who make millions with MLM scams but only the few that get in on the upper levels. Once it has been running 6 months or more you only get slim pickings and, as I outlined in the post, most of the money comes via the constant recruitment of late-comers 10 or more levels down the network, who quietly quit the scam after a few months, disheartened by another online scheme that ripped them off.
Ignore any claim that people can make long-term, sustainable income from these scams. Draw up a network on a piece of paper, if necessary, and use arrows to indicate where the money flows, and you will soon see how there are some who keep making some money, but *ALWAYS* at the expense of the poor bunnies who come in late and who have no real chance of achieving anything but making a loss.
Sorry about the long comment, but MLM really p*sses me off as 99% of the scams are not selling anything but the scam itself. Most will have a piece of junk product to make it look like a real business, or a holiday discount scheme, or a utility choice scheme
.
Michael.
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GEO.Pros Reply:
November 23rd, 2010 at 2:05 am
Why not take just ONE thought of a question at a time, MP.
Let us start with your scheme of pyramid controls over those you rely on. Now demonstrate how information from others supports your ‘chief corner stone’ at the top.
Where is your differing levels of your network of getting dollars for efforts?
One question at a time: Please reply in detail . Will we see that you spent quite a bit investing in your computor to even network the ’sale’ of your thoughts?
I sell HVAC. Why not put a bill or 2 into savings among my clients EARNING AN HONEST AGREED PAY FOR ADVERTIZING/FINDING/REPRESENTING/CONSULTING/TRAINING/ACCOUNTING/ -just plain WORKING. Then in a buisiness the bottom row of reps can do… -Until there just id no practical space for ~ whatever store or car or street or lightbulb to be bought or sold… then we go to another job/program/ or some retirement plan. I like this one without another dictating so much from their 9-5 “honest” pyramid (top of the ladder-down from “number-1″) scheme that may be still just another GOOD SCHEME.
If I thought I was smarter than all others or felt I knew all business things, I might try to avoid discussing the word phrase: CHOICE of WORK; and declare only one method “honest”. O K back to reality. Let’s all just get back to working the best for others and ‘growing’ maturely more so.
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Joe Ostervik Reply:
March 19th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
Sorry you feel that way! Our company is helping people save on their utilities. Here in MI our supplier that we have has been cheeper than the local utility for 26 months straight! People think when they get into a MLM company people are going to fall at their feet and they are going to make millions and nobody ever says NO! Any MLM you have to work it just like any other business. Most of you w-2 employees just go to work and expect to get paid. When you own your own business you have to go out and find business. So when you go to work that owner found the business or started a machine shop had to put up the money he just didn’t get the business automatically!
Joe
Regional Director
517-548-1954
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GEO.Pros JP Reply:
December 30th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
Sorely poorely for the lack of knowledge of the truth in CCM:
There IS a job to do.
I Earn (shame on me) less than 26/mo on “bunnies”…
and have received Leads and many thousands BECAUSE OF
OPTIONS ENERGY/ http://www.ChooseUtility.com for your review…. CCM MADE IT ALL HAPPEN !!!!!!!!
To poor “bunnies” :
GET TO WORK !
TRY just getting HELP to pull commercial bills the way CCM SHOWS and you will earn much more as they come in, …!
Mine pay regularly and very well and generate COMMERCIAL LEADS that I use and use for other contractors DOING WORK I CAN’T because of CCM…
WHY NOT TELL THE BUNNIES TO JUST WORK THE RETAILING MARKETS instead of crying about the vague ideas of other types of MLM…?
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Mark Reply:
January 31st, 2012 at 5:40 am
Michael, call me at 248-921-4551 I can assure you that this if you think CCM is a pyramid scheme where people don’t make money I have analyzed every single enrgy marketing company out there and did a comparson. CCM is vastly diffrent.
they pay fairly. I do believe most companies fall into what you are talking about but in CCM recruitment is not at all necessary to make a very solid income if you are willing to work on it. I know at least 10people that make1000-10000/mo that haven’t recruited anyone. how do they do this? CCM pays out half the dollas coming in to the broker who gets the accounts, keeps 1/4 for themselves and 1/4 is split to upline. 99.99% of companies do the opposite, they pay 5-10 cnets of the dollar to you and the lower you are the more the upline makes off you . that is hwy the arrows would point that way. think of it this way: there are bell curves the 80 20 rule most bell curves follow this in corporate amercia and any place else generally, most mlm companies bell curves are chaped liek the CN tower in Canada, but CCM’s bell curve of wealth is distibuted much closer to the typical corporate strucutre. but yet these guys with no recurits are makigng way more money than some people that might have 20 people in their group. it is all a matter of what you do and how much you actaully help the people. I have so much math and statistic etc.. I woul dlove to chat
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May 17th, 2010 at 5:17 pm
Michael, Michael, Michael, boy you have gotten a hold of a lot of misinformation regarding CCM. We should talk. You are totally misleading your readers(re: CCM), but hey it makes for a great blog! Lumping CCM in with all those online MLM scams is totally irresponsible. At least you state Amway is OK though. That was refreshing. Did you know that most MLM companies have about 1.2 customers per broker? CCM’s average is 15+ customers per broker. We are not selling self consumption products. We are saving consumers money on products and services they are already using. We are not asking consumers (or businesses) to purchase anything additional. I didn’t hear you mention cell phones, internet, Dish Network, Direct TV, VOIP, Blockbuster, LifeLock, and many, many other products by fortune 500 companies, and offering them at a savings. Again I don’t blame you, you just have some bad information. You have an online marketing company. How many of those type of companies are scams? It would certainly not be fair to lump your company in with all the internet marketing scams out there. Your company is most likely the acception just as CCM is. Please give me a call if you (or any of your fellow bloggers) would like to hear the “real” facts regarding CCM. This will be my last post, so feel free to have the last word. I do wish you all the best. I guess we can agree to disagree.
Sincerely,
Jim
330 247-2465
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May 18th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
Hey Jim, I am happy to stand corrected if I quoted anything that is incorrect. Granted, I did omit the other products/services included in the line-up. But I guess I was swayed by the talk on the teamccm website about incentives to sign up more brokers rather than focusing on selling the products/services. Maybe I watched the wrong sales video.
Also, this quote from the “New CCM Getting Started Manual” sort of summed it up for me. Did you read that manual?
“And that is all you do – tell people about a great business opportunity in an expanding market … along with great products and services.”
When an MLM puts it like that – to make fast income, sell more copies of the business you just bought, oh, and hey, there’s also some great products and services too – you have to be a little skeptical about the inherent value of the goods/services being promoted as the “core” product.
One last thing, the list of potential people to contact about selling more copies of the business includes “People at work who… don’t like their jobs, are open-minded, opportunistic …”. I am very sure that is not a bunch of energy/phone/video customers they’re referring to but disgruntled persons who would probably happily part with $300+ to buy into the business so that they can be herded into selling more copies of the same business.
Anyway, thanks for the feedback and, yes, we will have to agree to disagree. – Michael.
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Mark Reply:
February 6th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Hey Michael, I wanted to add to this response and this will benefit readers as well, I am copying and pasting what it says signs of a scam are and will post why CCM doesn’t match it:
8Beware MLM ScamsPosted May 16th, 2010 in Business planning and tagged business ideas, business plan, business wisdom by Michael
MLM = Multi Level Marketing. Be wary of anything that smells, looks like or sounds like MLM. It is also known as Network Marketing.
Before you read on, there are some legitimate MLM companies, such as Amway, who run a great operation and are not the subject of this warning post. The warning contained within is mostly concerned with online MLM scams.
What is MLM? (A rather long read, but worth it if you want to avoid the trap of MLM)
1. Someone approaches you, or you find a website, offering you to buy into a business with multiple entry levels (dollars invested), usually with the incentive that you will make loads of money passively. There is always a focus on recruiting more members into the network. MLMs have been responsible for many friends and families running foul of one another because of the high-pressure sales techniques required to get someone to part with upwards of $5000 to buy into a dubious “business opportunity”.
CCM- there is only one price you pay to get in. $279 no more no less. There is currently an $80 discount on this til Feb 29,2012 and there is technically another position available for people who have no intereste in recruiting and just going after accounts only which is significantly less but not usually done.
2. It will always cost you upfront to buy into a MLM and there will invariably be basic, silver, gold and platinum (or similar) entry levels ranging in price from $100 to $5000.
Again, there is no diffrent levels for entry other than the aforementioned one but it is told to the person that it is only used if they don’t want to recruit but they still get paid matches on someone if they do bring them in only 1 leve though. however, CCM is at the way low end. in fact CCM could make it free if they wanted, but you know what happens when you bring people in for under $100 or free? well I can tell you because there has been coupon codes from time to time to do this. well over 95% of the people who did this, did absolutely onthing with the business whatsoever. having skin in the game will make people take it more seriously.
3. A network is established with you on the downline of the person who referred you to the business. Conversely, the person who introduced you is considered to be your upline and will, without fail, get a big chunk of the money you hand over to join, as well as the monthly dues (see below) you keep on paying.
well, by definition in any MLM company, any organization period, whoever you tel and whoeve rthey tell will in fact go under you and under them etc.. just like a a board of directors has a CEO who has Presidents of xyz, who has sr vPs report who has VP report who has directors who has high managment who has mid managment to low managment to supervisor to hourly worker. same structure. so is corporate america? is the government? is a church all a scam? must be on this logic. CCM has a start up cost and monthly fee but I’ll explain that one in the part that addresse dit specific. CCM is totally good.
4. Some of your money goes directly to your upline and in most cases to their upline (2 levels up from you.) Some always goes to the top dog – the person or company who created the scheme.
CCM reps do not get paid any boususes on any of the fast starts or other bonuses or any comission of any kind UNLESS customers are acquired. and the new person ahs to get 3 custoemrs in order for the people above to even get paid on it. so it is the duty of the upline sponsor to teach the newbit how to gather customers, help them make a game plan, but also keep helping them after this.
5. Anyone you introduce is considered to be your downline. You are considered their upline. Subsequent entrants to the business introduced by your downline become part of your network and your “passive” commissions are earned anytime anyone on your downline pays money into the network or introduces someone new who pays money into the network. Everyone pays monthly for something that is presented to be of great value (holiday discounts, resale rights on useless ebooks, some other dodgy product or service) otherwise all of these schemes would be shut down for being illegal pyramid selling scams. Recruitment of your downline is often referred to as “sponsoring a new distributor or business”.
*this is again what network marketing is. this makes nothing a scam , Amway works the same and you said Amway is not.
6. The higher your buy-in price the more commission you receive from each and every subsequent downline recruit you bring into the network. So, if you start off with a beginner package of $100 you might only make pennies for each new customer you introduce. If you opt for the $2000 buy-in level (that’s $2000 of your money you are giving to this network) you usually stand to make a whole lot more per new opt-in in your downline.
there is no higher buy in with CCM, other than that one position that is there just in case someone wants to do it that way. We are a direct sales company with an MLM override plan more than anything.
7. The whole system requires increasingly massive numbers of people buying in at the lower levels to maintain cashflow through the upline. Think of it this way. Let’s say I start an MLM business and invite 10 people to join. I configure it so that each of those 10 needs to recruit 10 gold-level members on their downline to make any sort of decent income.
This is not true for CCM. I know of several people who came in, didn’t sponsor a single person, just went to get commercial accounts, and are making what for me personally would be a livable income and above. ccm you can build org. however you deem fit. Just do it one stet at a time.
Each of those 100 (we’re now at the 3rd level down from the top dog) downline members now need to get 10 each in their downline. So at the 4th level of the downline we now have 1000 members all pumping cash into this machine that is making me an absolute fortune. Skip to level 10 of the downline. At this level each of the 100,000,000 members on level 9 need to recruit 10 downline members (remember, all paying $2000 each) to make their promised monthly passive income.
You may be quickly realising that by level 13 or so we will need to start exploring the far reaches of the galaxy as we will have exhausted the earth’s population!
this arguement, I understand. I am an engineer. But than Amway is around what 60 years? and how many thousands of MLM’s and we have not even had much more than a 1% of the world involved in MLM. some reaons this won’t happen it because. only 1 in , however many people will even consider it, 1 in so many of those will sign up, and 1 in only so many of those will do something, 1 in so many of those stick with it for the long term. some people will eave. what happens, in the end is you will get to a stabilization point but even than, people will join, drop , join again and so there are always new people. also, only 18 years old and above can do it so there are always new people that are being born who can later join too. I am an engineer, know numbers and understand very well
8. MLM requires that each month, every member pay some sort of fee. This fee is broken up and distributed to upline members and, of course, the top dog. Most “fees” are disguised as membership dues giving you access to some dubious value library of PLR or RR material that has new content added each month. The only problem is that most PLR and RR material on offer are e-books that once sold on eBay for pennies, before eBay woke up and canned the whole e-book sham on its site.
CCM does have a monthy fee, and some if it does get paid to the field. but you know what? if you had 100 people in your grop and sent a check to them all each month it would cost you $45 just for the stamps alone. more than the monthly fee. now, with CCM that pays for a marketing site, a utility site, and commercial site a texting sms site , that is 4 sites. It also covers broker support , it covers commercial agents closing all the commercial deals for you. There is a HUGE value, in fact, we are lucky it is as cheap as it is given all this.
9. MLM members who are not that good at marketing will continue to fund their upline, dutifully paying their monthly dues while attempting, often desperately, to make it to their 10th sale to recoup their massive investment. It will often get to the point where they cut their losses and drop out of the program.
If someone doesn’t do well, it is because they don’t really want to do it. they should not have joined in the first place. I personally don’t want to recruit someone that has isn’t serious about the business anyway. Why? because 1. I am not in the convining busienss. 2. I don’t really wante blank websites ,we get up to a 50% match, and do you know what 50% of 0 is? 0. plus your goal is to teach others and help them achieve successes. if they aren’t that serious, you are actaully spending an awful lot of time working on people that are not donig themselves, yourself or your company you are in much good now are they? oh I want to help pepole in these situations because I am so empathetic, but I have come to realize it just isn’t what you want to be doing. Help the person out by getting them ready before they start.
To help overcome this massive loss of lower level members (that constitute the real income source of everyone else up the food chain), there will most likely be monthly phone-hookups (it used to be big rah-rah meetings in town halls, but with the internet that expense can now be spared), ongoing “training” – usually in how to identify and recruit people who are good at recruiting people, and wild, unsupported claims about how those further up the tree are full of integrity, caring, always available for mentoring, etc.
10. KEY POINT – These tens of thousands of dropouts are the ones who end up funding the entire operation. Think about it, everyone who is good at marketing and gets in early before the level 5 downline (or thereabouts) has been established, still has a decent chance of marketing a particular MLM as it will be fresh and new. Once level 5 or 6 has been passed there will already be 100,000 to 1,000,000 members worldwide. Everyone who succeeds in getting enough members in their downline will get their money back.
Where does this money come from? Their downline. Where does their downline get it from? Their downline. So, unless you keep building this MLM network just like a pyramid (did anyone say pyramid selling?) it is at risk of collapsing. The trouble with pyramid-shaped networks is that is becomes next to impossible to keep recruiting the millions of downline members each month because of market saturation as well as testimonies that start coming out from the drop-out members who lost a whole lot of money (whose money, in fact, was supporting the entire pyramid!).
CCM does not operate like this. we do have drop outs, but it is just due to their lack of doing anything.
11. Most MLMs will collapse after a few years as the lowest level experiences the highest dropout rate. They start to go backwards as level 8, 9 and 10 members cut their losses and leave. All too suddenly, as the cashflow starts to dry up from the lower levels (people wise up, read about MLM, decide that it takes actual effort and real products to make an honest online living, and so on), more of the upper levels start collapsing. One day, the whole scheme falls apart.
CCM spent a few years getting things right and grew slowly at first, why don’t we have 100,000 people in 4 years? becasue CCM focused on customer gathering. still do but also recruiting, the more reps you have the more all benefit. butit is a balance with ccm. CCM is too strong and stable to collapse.
12. The top dog then, or usually a few months before then, starts on the next MLM scheme (or is that spelled s-c-a-m?) offering glitzy products, memberships, discounts, massive upline bonus percentages, sweetener deals and all sorts of bells and whistles to suck in (sorry, recruit) the next generation of get-rich-quick-without-actually-selling-anything-of-value internet newbies
again, CCM doesn’t have this problem. we are customer focused more than we are recruiting focused, but we do focus on both but not without customers first and foremost.
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May 23rd, 2010 at 3:10 pm
I am a CCM rep and I think I know of the Exec that you are referring to. He was all about the recruiting and left CCM to start his own company with several of his family members. Good talker, too consumed with the big money but never spent much time on the customer and product side of the business. I didn’t care for that approach. Anyway, I decided to spend the time acquiring customers, let the business go through its growing pains and see where that took me before spending too much time and money on the recruiting side of it. To date, we’ve been able to make a decent supplemental income on having a little over 100 customers. I am getting paid for what I should and I am comfortable with the process now that we are looking to get more involved in the recruiting aspect of it. It can be a frustrating business but so can others. This is my first MLM business so I was skeptical as well. I think if you can work this business and not go overboard where all you do is recruit then you can, over time, build a nice residual income. We weren’t looking for the $20K a month story they sell at the business overview meetings, just a nice supplemental income helping people save money. We’ve been able to do that.
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The Almost Millionaire Reply:
May 24th, 2010 at 12:53 am
@Jay
Thanks for your thoughts on Team CCM! You started out similar to the way I did, but I was unable to get a strong customer base going as we were not able to sell against Michigan Gas Utilities in SE Michigan. I was never told exactly why we couldn’t sell against them, and you may be able to now, but CCM stopped dinging my credit card for the $39.95 monthly broker fee about a year after I joined the company.
Another strange thing, I switched over a bill to CCM from Consumers Energy, and the pricing hasn’t changed in about 6 months, even though the customer is supposed to be on a variable program, and Natural Gas rates have fallen almost 40% since I signed that customer up. Do you have any insight into the pricing?
Thanks again for the feedback, and I wish you great success with your business! Sounds like you are going about Network Marketing THE RIGHT WAY!
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MIKE Reply:
April 28th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
I like to know what happen in regard to that customer. you can call me 314 266 3208
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May 27th, 2010 at 9:10 am
I’m looking into it and after reading all these comments it seems that the only way I’m going to come up to a decision is to do some investigating myself. I checked out the AMWAY’s and other MLM’s and you would think there has to be some truth in it somewhere. All businesses started with a dream and if you can’t dream then what good is life?
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PromoGuy Reply:
May 27th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
Hello Home Renovation!
Let me save you some time with your investigation. Give me a call and I can get you well acquainted with CCM so you can make an informed decision if this business is a good fit for you or not. I can get you on our business presentation webinars, conference calls, and training calls without spending a dime to join the business. Even if you decide that is not for you then the worst that can happen is that you can save some money. Check out all the savings available at my online utility store at http://www.MyUtilityBrokers.com/galore . There you can put a face to my name. I would be happy to answer any questions that you may have. By the way I do not recruit, I only look for people who are looking for me. Thanks! Jim 330 247-2465
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May 30th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
I have been a member of CCM for one year and got sick of paying 39.95 for a web sibe without Actiivity. You could be paying more than you make.
I am so glad I quit! Don’t get me wrong. You can make alot of money with CCM. All you need to do is belong to a
Church and Con all your parishioners into believing they
are going to save money on Natural Gas then have nothing to do with them because they will be mad.
Also, you can procure Industrial accounts and really save them 10% on their Gas. All you need is 75 accounts that are using 2000 mcf or 20000 ccf/mo. Now you will make
50000/Mo.
Imagine,these businesses are about 1 Million Sq.Feet!
It is your choice where you want to spend your time and make money.
s
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GEO.Pros J Pierce Reply:
November 29th, 2010 at 7:27 pm
D’ya do the 3-wqy calls in front of comm prostpects?
I did, got deals , get paid each month.
D’ya go to training or encourage another to go BEFORE signing in?
I did , get paid too.
My brokers get their 150 back and their income is greater than the 40/mo.
Be glad to work w’ya !
440-667-8729 as trained and set up with me.
I walkin and close commercial in ONE CALL….
all 23 comm are happy !
JP
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Mark Reply:
February 6th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
it is true some individuals did wind up having initial success at their churches or may have a few connections to good business owners, but in reality, it sounds to me like making excuses for not doing well. When I first came in I couldn’t sell a heater to an eskimo. It took me way more time to develop than most, but now I am donig very well. it takes persistence, dilligence, conviction and follow up. People you think will sign up with you, some will and some wont, in fact YOU are not their first priority. nor am I or anyone else. this is why it is very important to not just give up just becasue someone doesn’t get back to you right away. it takes usually 5-10 times before the person or business sees you are for real. in fact, my upline sponsor when this person started the business had every excuse in the book to quit or not even do it. no place to live, no car, no computer, hungry as heck. but this person worked harder than anyone I have ever seen in this busienss and surpassed everyone in the entire business through productivity, determination, will follow up, persistence, heart, and caring for everyone. I can attest to it becasue I watched it happen.
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May 30th, 2010 at 5:21 pm
Harrison:
I know how you feel. I felt the same way until I found that once I truly plugged into the system and went to the weekly meetings, watched the weekly webinars, attended the regional and national events(July 23,24th),gained more knowledge through 3rd party training, and hung out with the leaders of the company and other positive people that I could succeed albeit slowly. All the tools are there but you have to use them. If you do not then of course you will not be successful. My guess is that if you bought a franchise for $500,000 so that you could make $100,000 a year you would work harder then you worked toward this business. It is back to the “work” part of net”work” marketing. I am fortunate in the fact that I aligned myself with successful and positive people. I have an up and coming leader of the company that I speak with a couple times “every” day. Unfortunately your story is a common one. This business is not for everyone, however if someone fails it is because they are not plugged into the system, have not experienced the proper training, and have not hung out with the right people. I make sure my brokers have every chance to succeed and I tell them everything they need to do to get there. If I would have worked with you then I guarantee you would NOT have quit. I do wish you the best!
Jim 330 247-2465
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Bill Broker in PA Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 4:07 pm
Jim,
I was involved years ago with a Company called biznet who was the “independent training company” for Amway. Amyway called themselves something else at the time I don’t remember what but, it sounds very much the same. Biznet also changed it’s name along the way a few times. The last contact I had with anyone in the company was a gentleman that I brought in. There was some kind of law suit and the last I heard they were now selling juice. I would think if we had stayed any residuals we had received would be gone.
They will tell you “you need to plug into the system” go to this “training event” have these speakers come and tell you how great everything is. You need to buy these “tools”. After my wife a I chased the business for several years throwing much time and money at it. We drop out of the “system”. We never made a dime but, I guess that was our fault. I should have known better when the disclainer said the average “Business Owner” makes $112 per year.
Don’t get me wrong. It is good to get around positive up lifting people but, be careful they may just want in your wallet. I guessing all this “training” is not free.
The reason I am posting this is I was contacted by a friend from the real estate world about Ambit Energy. I am thinking of signing up if and when they come to PA. I guess i have to wait and see it they hit me with the “plug into the system” “buy the tools” pitch. Then I will know it is just like everyother MLM program.
Best of luck,
Bill in PA
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PromoGuy Reply:
August 3rd, 2010 at 4:58 pm
Bill:
As you know we(CCM)are in PA now with both commercial and residential natural gas and electricity. MLM is however, not for everyone. If you wish to talk or have questions give me a call.
Jim (Ohio)
330 310-1325
http://www.teamccm.com/galore
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June 1st, 2010 at 1:18 pm
Many of these e-tailers re-check the box after you unchecked it, but are forced to return to the page. In addition to burying it in fine print, it should be on the checkout page. Why do credit card companies allow this practice?
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June 7th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
Harrison:
I don’t think your depiction of CCM (and how to make money in it) is accurate or fair. It’s a pretty straight forward evaluation from the customer’s perspective. You either can save them money or you can’t – no duping necessary. If you can, the enrollment process is quick and generally there are no contracts. If you can’t save them money, then you are best served telling them that and staying in touch for a future opportunity when you might be more competitive. The larger accounts are more rare, admittedly, but they are out there and if you are fortunate enough to be in front of them at the right time/place, then it could be a multiple thousands a month account for you. Perhaps you expected to pay $39.95 a month and have the money rolling in on auto pilot? If so, then no, CCM is not for you.
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June 12th, 2010 at 3:30 pm
I can tell you the assessment of CCM in some of these posts is very inaccurate. I will say they were brand new in May 2008 and as with any new company there are bumps in the road. I too took a while to start getting paid but now everything is very streamlined and the bumps taken out. I have gotten paid every single monty exactly what I was supposed to get paid for 9months now. Everyone else I know has as well.
As far as what you are getting paid on commercial accounts, your back office and payment will show you the actaul usage you are getting paid on every month.
The person who left CCM to start his own company decided to have his people bad mouth us, and I found out this person also left ACN to come to us and badmouthed ACN. He was however, exteremely knowledgable about the industry.
I don’t really care though, I wish him luck.
Our company is truly about customers, our president is an energy guy, he doesn’t really talk about recruiting, he is all about product and services and really passionate about them. I personally know at least 10 people that have either no reps under them, or very few who signed up just to go do accounts and have over 100,and some 500. These people are all making way over $39/mo
in fact they are making a full time income in many cases.
the ones who aren’t with those accounts are close to it or are already able to pay most of their expenses with that income.
Also, with some of these companies I have no idea how much I will make from my own personal accounts.
CCM is as transparent as it gets.
For residential gas or eletric it is the same amount per month regardless.
And on commercial it is an exact amount per usage.
For cell phones it is an exact percentage of the bill
Feel free to contact me with questions. I am a deep analyzer of anything before I do it. This is the only company with this type of model I will do because I don’t have to recruit. Yes, you will make more money long term with an orginization because of leverage. But you don’t have to.
I would rather discuss it in private if you have questions but I can answer nearly any question you would have and without trying to recruit you. I just want to set straight.
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Tim Reply:
June 16th, 2010 at 9:01 pm
Mark,
give me a call when you have a minute. thanks, tim 800 567-0996
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June 17th, 2010 at 4:19 pm
The fact that these sites snagged millions and then some says more about the inattentiveness of the average consumer than it does about unscrupulous practices.
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July 1st, 2010 at 6:13 am
I have been through all of these same problems with CCM however recently had much better responses from the company. Previously I made money in several other companies but the foundation for true residual income was not there. Commercial customers are now reporting how happy they are with the rates which tells me they will not drop off the service.
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July 1st, 2010 at 2:13 pm
I have had a similar response from my commercial accounts – some are saving thousands of dollars a year compared to their old plans. Again, on the flip side, some are in pretty good plans already and I cannot help them at this point. The important part to understand and accept about the business is that is OK too. If done right, you create a positive perception about your business and the customer feels validated that they made the right decision with the plan they are currently in. Guess what? That plan will not last forever and, more than likely, you will get another shot to quote their business.
On a different note, when considering CCM vs. the new company – look closely at the available offerings and the economics of their business model (from a broker perspective). To me, CCM offers more value and a wider array of offerings in more states. Although there certainly have been hiccups along the way, I think CCM is mostly past them so the bad mouthing examples no longer hold true.
Feel free to contact me if you want to discuss privately.
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Mark Reply:
February 6th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
right on Jay!
I say while it is very frstrating, especially if it is a larger account, I couldn’t beat a couple of them but they know my integrity and honesty and next ime around I know CCM pricing will be even stronger especially with our new stronger partnership we have with our biggest supplier. I know I’ll get all of them next time plus I can continue to build that relationship.
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August 28th, 2010 at 7:28 am
Alright, here is my take on all MLM type companies:
1. The product has to be excellent AND price competitive. I should be able to make a living on selling products alone.
2. the management team has to have a very high level of integrity.
3. You have to find an upline that truly cares to help you, do not recruit too much to have time to help you, and teaches actual sales skills – hopefully within the consultative sales process.
4. If your upline, or the company generally, pays too much attention to recruiting – you have a problem.
When those things are in place you can go out and sell your product. You can also cold call. You do not have to sell only in the area you live. While it is helpful to be nearby, for an engaging sales person it is not needed.
I always decide to sell product first – if I as a good sales person cannot sell the product – then I better move.
Malene
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September 13th, 2010 at 9:50 pm
Hi,
I have read through this and it continues to get better and better. The thing with CCM is that they began debt free and were already in the energy business for a few years.
I know people that signed up chruches, but so what? we have now nearly 40,000 customers with only about 2400 reps that is more thna 15 per rep.
I have never experienced any meeting even in the beginning when they said “if you don’t get it now you will lose your opportunity” rather they said, “if you get in now you you will be at the top but it will be vialbe for many years to come and make money due to the fact we have so few reps.”
again, the price dropping is bad for thsoe who get paid on price, good for us. We get a set amount for residential customers and for commercial we get paid on usage, not price. So we truly care about price and getting paid. Yes, there are many great products that can reduce energy but they cost you $1000’s of dollars or sometimes 100s, but by the time it saves you money it will take you a few years to make it worth the cost.
with CCM, you save whatever you will save right away with no cost. Indeed the process is even better now than it was.
Ignite and Ambit are actaully wonderful companies, but they are in only a couple states. Growth is limited for brokers. CCM is in almost 20 with more on the way. There are others out there that only do commercial, but you don’t get income on redidential.
CCM is the only company I have seen that has as much territory as we do, and have both residential energy and commercial where you get custom quotes, our team of experts at the home office actually go over risk managment and work the best and most comfortable type of pricing plan that the business owner feels benefits them.
but also to add to this all the other products we do. No other company does that.
Zurvita has many of the same products but are only in 5-10 states and I don’t think they do commerical as far as I know.
Also, the pay plan is designed so that builders as well as those who just want to market can make a decent living on this.
I had a huge learning curve for 1.5 years and made less than than the monthly nicome, but now I am making much much more.
And in looking in our back office recently and the webstie, I do believe we can now do Michigan Gas utility
http://www.myutilitybrokers.com/mrut
feel free to call me with questions.
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September 16th, 2010 at 6:52 pm
Thanks for your thoughts on Team CCM! You started out similar to the way I did, but I was unable to get a strong customer base going as we were not able to sell against Michigan Gas Utilities in SE Michigan. I was never told exactly why we couldn’t sell against them, and you may be able to now, but CCM stopped dinging my credit card for the $39.95 monthly broker fee about a year after I joined the company.
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September 18th, 2010 at 1:10 am
It is sweet that you wrote about this. I found you on bing and I had been looking for info about this. Nice blog, thanks for the info. I will come back to check for new entries
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PromoGuy Reply:
September 18th, 2010 at 3:18 pm
Melisa: Welcome to the blog. I have been with CCM for just over a year. I have been nicknamed the “corporate trainer” because I help new and potential brokers get answers to the those many questions floating out there on the internet. Met a lot of great people through this informative blog. If I can help you in any way please give me a call. Thank you and have a great weekend!
Jim Licitri
http://www.teamccm.com/galore
330 247-2465
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September 22nd, 2010 at 6:48 pm
Ambit Energy is a great opportunity for people looking save on their energy cost and at the same time help others save on their energy costs. Currently Ambit is the #1 Top earning company as per INC 500 Magazine. Do I need to say any more?
We just made a major announcement of expanding markets and we are now able to offer the same savings opportunity to small businesses in TX.
I can go on and on about how great Ambit Energy is. Three thumbs up .. oops sorry I only have two thumbs.
Email me at info@anc-energy.com or visit my website at http://bit.ly/9Vn3kR for additional info.
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September 23rd, 2010 at 12:37 pm
Simply put:
I tried a local NON-MLM “supplier broker co” , signed up a 70,000 acct with a 3500 savings to that fellowship facility. All said “500/yr commission, … do it again!” That was APRIL 2010, and to date NO PAY from tha NON-MLM “We are not giving you anything for training, introducing, finding another rep for us” company.
I tried CCM:
NO ONE GOT INCENSED WITH MY ABILITY TO BREAK ICE WITH CORPOATE BUYERS AS I AM TRAINED TO DO IN YEARS OF FRANCHISE AND CONSTRUCTION REPRESENTATION. NO SAID “NO MORE LEADS…” AS ORDERED 6 DAYS AFTER SIGNING ANOTHER COMPANY.
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GEO.Pros Reply:
September 23rd, 2010 at 12:51 pm
now I simply write one savings after another-
we know others have some similar telecom offerings, but when a CLIENT YELLS , ” Hey partner (client assoc) we are paying just toooooo much for Telecom and Cell offerings that we can save on myutilitybrokers.com/geopros ”
What should I do? Keep silent?
Then when I switch to CCM offerings and save over 70/month…?
Then should I declare a PYRAMID of me being a manufacturer’s rep and knowing you (any others) do not get to rep what I rep the way I do (this is a non-MLM- but truly a Pyramid Scheme of succesful marketing) -should I declare YOU should be able to make a living off my Rep-Pyramid-Standard everyday American-business-scheme that helps sooooo many to date since 1978, with those even building units for other top-name-brands?
Hmm.
I was taught to judge a company by more than if any other can make a living from it, but wholly review WHAT 15-20 HOURS A WEEK I agree—- to invest ((DESCRIBED IN THE CCM AND OTHER GREAT MLM AND FRANCHISE REVIEWS BEFORE JOINING)).
Whew! Why not come right out and admit well over 90% starters of anything are usually not promoting much in 2 years of anything related to that start? Why be a crab in a bucket pulling down some getting to the top?
37 NEW ACCOUNTS IN 17 WEEKS AND 2 HVAC SALES SERVICE CALLS AND PEOPLE SAVING THOUSANDS AIN’T SHABBY FOR A 4-27-2010 SIGN UP: I WILL SHOW YOU HOW TO GET AROUND 20-CALLERS A WEEK IN THE INDUSTRY: ONLY ~ 3000 iNDEP b’S IN
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September 23rd, 2010 at 1:11 pm
Right:
Not a lot of Indep-Brokers assoc (3 added in 17 weeks) but all are strong and one hit 13 accounts in 30 days and was PAID BACK 67% of joining and one account just happened to be COLD CALLED through a referral (~44/month as long as they buy electricity for their restaurants…covers “ding”/monthly.))
suggesting what?
Good enough for him, but not another? C’mon!
, and the “ding ” for people who don’t hire a secratary and book keeper?
given a website
given hours of commercial closing assistance ((which is why may be I lost a chain store account with the May 05 -Non-MLM- company signed with- more interested in that ONE-Consultant at the top doing their business! “Oh I forgot to call, next day… not enough time to call that” – 30-Million+++ KWH ACCT ! WHEW!!!))
CCM
GIVING 100’s in services for a mere (acct-replaced-”DING”)
un-noticed fee vs direct deposits… C’Mon!
Funny how one related to “new bunnies”
I was called “Rabbit” .
I was called that after
Corporate heads drove hundreds of miles just to meet with other buyers and leaders of a chain store and a frnchise holding co., and ON-Time, and strictly Professionally representing Savings Offerings such that I trained APPROPRIATELY TRAINED others to so do.
CCM ???
Work their plan= to plan your work, then YOU work YOUR plan to success WITH SUPPORT and met poromise.
ANY Builder, contractor, store-front restaurant, or business CAN MAKE A MOST WITH ‘NO-TIME’ FOR GIVNG ME EXAMPLES/ ASSOCIATES/ of what /who in their business relations will possibly benefit from showing their ‘others’ such systems of SAVINGS offered and supported by CCM !
I can not wait to finish a couple projects to put 50-hours a week MORE into such savings offerings for HELPING SO MANY!
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September 23rd, 2010 at 1:24 pm
CCM OFFERINGS?
Any builder, contractor, restaurant-owner, property owner not getting trained COULD BE HELPED with the few hours I have left until those are gone from the 84 hours I work others Biz-non-mlm’s with…
by myutilitybrokers.com/geopros
You say ‘no-time to do’
and just are missing the footwork I DO/Train/Help with for you and the helping of your associates in business and buildings like I can not describe in less than 10,000 words. ANY STORE FRONT BIZ can help and get support and get paid a lot!
The picture:
3 brokers all strong in 17 weeks, but , (stuck) rep-minded, signed 4-27-2010 [before a 5-5-10 a non-mlm- but just a regular American Biz, one boss-Pyramid Energy Consultin Co- told me no-more leads by 5-11-2010!)
and I have no complaing to me from CCM:
nor about 37 new doors opened and 23 accounts working closure! And a broker who hit 13 in 29 days was glad to get checks (fast-start) of 67% of investing in CCM back ! (+ their first reataurante payint the “ding” @ $43/monthly)…
Just among the working class, working-learning from CCM’s plans and planning MY work and working My plan.
you are told to work ~ 15 hours a week before signing…
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October 20th, 2010 at 11:05 pm
I have been with consumer’s choice Marketing for 8 month’s I love the Company I working hard to help people save money daily..I make some on the way every month it is better than any bussines I have owned I have many.This one is by far the very best…log on jump on the team it is great…
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Joe Ostervik Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
Thanks Laura I am also a CCM rep where are you located? Me i’m in MI
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October 30th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
consumer choice marketing is the biggest scam to hit the east coast since the “Milken junk bonds” in the 80’s. They are a bunch of blood sucking leeches just laying and waiting in their pool of stagnated filth for some unspecting fool to give them a bank account number. Notice that I didn’t cap their title, they are not worthy of a title. After they have your bank account number from your first and “only payment”, they take money from your bank account, very sneaky, just enough that you don’t notice unless you are throughly exmaing your account. This is after a few months of inactiion, and you’ve forgotten how you got had for that initial payment,for your “broker” fee.
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Mark Reply:
December 7th, 2010 at 3:48 pm
Larry, I am not sure if you are a broker or not but what you said is so amazingly uninformed. “we are like leeches waiting to pounce on the east coast”
I can honestly say there is noone I know in CCM that acts this way. The aforementionted people who left CCM to make their own company do this , but that is their problem now.
CCM contintues to get better and better and better. We are now in 23 states as of next week. Once again on last night’s call, the CEO stressed as he does every week, get customers, we are nothing without customers so for any naysayer that thinks we are only about recruiting doesn’t understand CCM.
Again, the comp plan is designed so that those who build teams can make lots of money, and those that have any desire to build a team also make good money. Most MLM’s are designed with a a bell curve such that the top 1-2% make 99.99% of the money CCM Spreadds it out much more evenly. We have a majority of our brokers earning a monhly true residual that is in profit.
on the call last nihgt, I learned we are getting into something related that is just as big, and will cover a wider range of customers but I can’t say what it is. you’ll just have to wait until it is an official announcement.
for anyone who has questions, I have really studied network marketing, energy and companies similar to CCM as well as other suppliers that compete with us, I analyzed many comp plans, what to look for etc..
call me 248-921-4551 if you have questions.
Mark
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Joe Ostervik Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
What the HELL are you talking about. There is a monthly fee for the websites of $39.95 did you forget about that?
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November 2nd, 2010 at 5:04 pm
Wow!Great! Larry you have a way with words. If you would have put half that passion into your CCM business you would have been one of the top earners at CCM. Your upline should take 49.9% of the blame for your unhappiness. You need to ask yourself why CCM has so many enthusiastic utility brokers saving people money and making money and you are not one of them. Please give me a call if you would like to discuss what happened. The curiousity is killing me! To all of you out there doing your due diligence and checking out CCM (as you should) I will be glad to speak with you as part of your research. Just give me a call. Let’s talk!
Sincerely,
Jim Licitri (PR Director)
330 247-2465
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November 3rd, 2010 at 3:32 pm
Larry: Wow! Great! If you would have put half of that passion into your CCM business you would have been one of CCM’s top earners. Call me, I’d love to hear your story, the curiousity is killing me. I give 49.9% of the blame on your upline, however you have to ask yourself why there are so many enthusiastic brokers with CCM saving people money and earning money and you are not one of them. For all of you out there doing your due diligence and checking out CCM’s opportunity please give me a call. I’d be glad to help you with your research.
Sincerely,
Jim Licitri
330 247-2465
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November 12th, 2010 at 5:14 am
Hi,
I’m brand new to this site and this string, so please bear with me.
My basic question is why the Entry fee and $39.95/month “ding”. Other companies are profitable without those fees. Any answers?
James Roguski
310-619-3055
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November 13th, 2010 at 6:41 pm
James:
I will give you a call and answer all your questions. Your monthly fee of $39.95 covers your two ecommerce ready websites, all your accounting,commissions,customer tracking and most importantly your commercial energy agent working on your behalf to close those commercial accounts for you so you may earn that residual income every month. I will go in more detail by phone. Thanks for your inquiry.
Jim Licitri 330 247-2465
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November 21st, 2010 at 11:18 am
[...] Consumer Choice Marketing ($249 to join / $39.95 per month) [...]
November 29th, 2010 at 7:20 pm
Where’s my examples of success in CCM?
My happy numbers?
Did the top cornerstone of the ALMOST MILLION~ block it?
(those legal pyramid entities with one top dawg!!!)
Hmph!
MyUtilityBrokers.com/geopros saves 23 commercially and 180 went in the bank last month! more this month !!!!!
-JP
440-667-8729
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Joe Ostervik Reply:
March 25th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
Good job JP. This month I put in $600 and that’s almost all customers! I only have 2 main active brokers and 13 in the downline! You can do this business just collecting customers! And it works!
Thanks
Joe Ostervik
Regional Director
CcmGasBroker.com
YourGasGuy.com
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December 11th, 2010 at 3:30 pm
The news just keeps getting better. we are now in 22-23 states with commercial energy! and most of them have residential as well.
So if you compare other companies that do what CCM does, there is really no comparison.
we have the largest footprint in the United States with by ar the least number of reps in the US!
And the only ones to have this kind of footprint that also can make money on other utility servcies in all 50 states.
We are the only ones that have a CAP departement,where a commercial energy expert will contact the businesses for you, and also work with you yourself, educate you and do team work to gather accounts. But they know how to close them out.
I see many CCM wannabees out there and while many of them are pretty good, they just simply don’t have quite the model we have.
Now, here is what we have statewise, ask yourself if any other company matches this:
1. California C/R gas, C electrcity(cap ends 2012)
2. New Mexico C gas
3. Colorado C gas
4. Texas C gas C/R electrcitiy
5. Oklahmoa C gas
6. Illinois C Electricity
7. Indiana C gas
8. Michigan C/R gas C electricity
9. Ohio C/R gas, C electricity
10.Pennsyvania C/R gas C/R Electrcity
11.Kentucky C/R gas
12.Florida C gas
13.Georgia C/R gas
14.Maine C electrcity
15.New York C/R gas C electrcity
16.New Hamshire C electrcity
17.New Jersey C/R gas C electrcity
18.Massachusettes (sp?) C electrcity
19.D.C. C electrcitiy
20.Connecticut C electricity
21.Maryland C electrciity
22.Rhode Isand C electricity
there may be 1 or 2 more, but I can’t recall, but we are already licensed in an additional 5 more states that need to be finalized.
Than, we can do commercial tlecom quotes and get paid in all 50 states.
we can do landline, voip, cell phones (2 seperate stores), Identity theft, Startec interntaional calling, internet, Tv(cable, sattelite/dish), home security, savings on restaurants, email contacts and more.
Now look at all other companies that do this.
The biggest ones have 2-5 or 6 states with 60,000-200,000 reps.
there is a couple with more states but they can’t do commercial, at leat not big commercial.
I have seen ones that have an ongoing price of all the utilities and suppliers (but the CaP dept. actually sits and goes over which ones are best, price alone doesn’t matter unless you look at the whole contract and understand the different aspects)
I have seen one or 2 that are commercial only in many states (and they still lag behind us a little in terms of geography) but can’t do half of anything else we do.
Here is the real kicker.
Most MLM average 2.1 customers / rep (natinal average) even many of the other energy ones have maybe 3-7/ rep
CCM has over 10, in fact I am fairly sure it is close to 16-17 now.
Many companies make millions with under 1.0 customers / rep so we are definitely the real deal.
I heard about even more services and products coming nationwide that I can’t reveal but they will be very lucritive.
Now is this real?
I have gotten paid every month for 1.5 yers.
in fact I am making 20 times what I made in the most well known and largest MLM companies known to man.
I have about 18 downline and 15 of them are recieving checks each month, 10 of them are making their money back and they are only in for 1-3 months so far. 2 of these people are brand spaking new so didn’t get to a pay period yet.
Sure we do talk about recruiting quite a bit, because that is a part of our busienss and of course the best way to leverage oneself, however, many companies out there takl only about recruting and pay 1-2%of the peopl 95-99% of the money.
Here, they talk about recruting as a great tool, but our CEO never ceases to stress that it is customers, customers customers. Product, product product.
the integrity and honesty is amazing.
I was on the phone with another company almost a year ago. My ED at the time asked piont blank to the owner of that company, what are your customer requirements? his answer? we don’t have any. Sure enough they had around 2000 reps at the time and around 400 customers.
CCM 2500-2900 reps, 40,000+ customers
I see so many cmopanies that take an MLM Model and say, energy is a great product, let’s have MLMers run this company and make the reps happy.
I would be a bit skeptical about any that do this.
2 of the first great companies that did this, were started by energy companies themselves but they simply do not have the territory we do. but are great companies.
If you hear companies talk about how you will be paid so well and they can’t tell you how they get paid? run far far away.
I hear things like reps get 30% comission, 20%, 50% etc…
what? how do you even know what the % is based off of.
I see plans where they go 7 levels down, and talk about, if you did this and everyone got this many customers (lots of customers) and they all used such and such you would get over $x.xx
the numbers are high but we are talking about nearly 4000 reps an 65000 customers.
CCM tells you exactly how much you make per customer, how much you make on each product, how much residual, how mcuh bounty, how much per unit on commercial, how much you make from each person in your orginaztion. It is so easy to figure out. If companies, or people in companies can’t answer these simple questions, i wouldn’t get too excited about them.
Beleive me, I have truly checked out many companies of all sorts and am giving general things I see that are postive and things that are not so much.
I have never had a company commit so much to helping the consumer, and the reps.
We were foudned by energy experts, who have done energy, know all about it, built books of busienss, has relationships with suppliers that others do not have.
We have a multitude of companies that are coming to our owners because of our customer gathreing and want us to market for them, that includes many energy suppliers. the owners could have jumped at them but they rejected most of them? why? because our owners will not partner up with anyone unless they have the same philosophy as us on the cutomer. on top of this, they also need to show they have money to back it up so they won’t go out of business, and a vast majority of our suppliers are A or A+ rated with the BBB
So anyone who may think this is not real or is a scam, simply doesn’t understand what a scam is or is not.
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December 20th, 2010 at 8:17 pm
Great job Mark! That was a lot of typing. For those of you who wish to see our business presentation for a terrific overview of Consumer Choice Marketing simply go to http://www.TeamCCM.com/galore and click on the presentation tab. You will find 2 videos that you can watch whenever you choose. Any questions give me a call. Thank you and Merry Christmas to all and for those who’s New Year’s resolution is to make more money(& save money) please give me a call.
Skeptics always welcome!
Jim Licitri
Regional Director – CCM
330 247-2465
http://www.CCMUtilityChoice.com
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December 22nd, 2010 at 1:10 pm
Pleasantly added 2 more commercial, and a GolfCenter and a peinter in JAN !
Helping others find and help others and find and help and find … and help
MyUtilityBrokers.com/geopros
440-667-8729
~ 24 states!
Just saved money: New broker switched off vonnage to VoIP !
(under 9/ month)
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January 14th, 2011 at 5:18 am
Hi Jim, typing is no problem.
email me if you would like any of my notes from conference calls.
Afterall, I can type 80wpm+ on a regular basis
Anyway, there are some very lucritive and some very exciting things that are going to be added being announced Jan 29th. But if one will have to attend or just wait to find out. All I can say is if these announcements don’t get you excited, we will double check your pulse.
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January 16th, 2011 at 7:30 pm
Mark,
Can’t wait for the Regional Event on Jan 28-29th as well. There are several announcements coming. Sorry, can’t tell you what one of them is, but take my word it will blow you away! Don’t have a clue about the other ones. I guess I will just have to wait like the rest of the brokers. Michigan is sending a large group, possibly one hundred or so.
If there is anyone out there looking for the opportunity of a lifetime please give me a call. Even if MLM does not appeal to you that is OK because I have options for you as well. Sorry, can’t say anymore! As always skeptics welcome!
Take a plane, train, or automobile but just get to the Regional event in Beechwood, Ohio on Jan 29th!
Jim Licitri – Regional Director
http://www.teamccm.com/galore
330 247-2465
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February 17th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
Just to think when I started in 2009 we were in 3 states for gas only, MI, OH, PA
And we did have some basic phone and internt, plus an idenity theft product, but now we have 23-26 states
with 7 on residential electricity
and with the savings advantage card with our expense tracker! wow
the SMS texting platform.
The competition is good, but as good as it is, CCM completely dominates what we do.
In essence, we don’t have true competition in the truest form.
CCM is fouced yet very diverse.
for example, our main product is still energy
There are many great companies out tehre that only do that, and none have the footprint we do, not even close.
But for those that are close, they don’t have the CAP program the way we do, and close accounts the same way.
IN fact, I have checked pricing in many of our areas and we are better than energy only companies very regularly.
I have had people approach me about several tech specific companies too. Some very specific to cell phones,or other things. It turns out for the unlimited plans we are actually cheaper than those other ones that are specific in those companies I did check.
I honestly don’t know why anyone would not join ccm, or at least be a customer.
I know for Michigan Southeast gas utilites we have beaten the local utility every month for at least as far back as dec 2008- Jan 2011, I will look up new numbers soon.
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March 23rd, 2011 at 1:36 am
After reading your post and problems James, it seems like you need to do some more homework on the De-regulation of energy. After looking at this business model I strongly suggest it. The energy business is a great business to get in. Just one problem you need the right mentorship to guide you and to find a company that is a right fit for you. Wish my company was out there because you seem like you have the desire to become a leader. Don’t give up, just find a better Direct Sales company to work with. Also for a good read get the book “Three Feet from Gold” I think you just might thank me later.
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March 23rd, 2011 at 3:07 pm
Brett,
You stated that you wish “your” company was out there. Where is there? Consumer Choice Marketing(CCM) is in 24 states and counting. You are correct on both counts! Energy deregulation is a great business to be in right now and one does need a mentor to get the most of this opportunity. I have a mentor and am mentoring my team as we speak. Those who partner with me have my complete and undivided attention. When it comes to providing a mentoring program CCM can not be beat. Sometimes you need to “learn” how to make money. We have conference calls and webinars 6 days a week and a host of training tools and systems in place to help you become successful. You are in business for yourself but certainly not “by” yourself. If you would like to get a feel for an incredible company called Consumer Choice Marketing please give me a call and I can register you (or anyone else reading this blog) for the webinars and/or the conference calls. When you speak with me it isn’t about me or the company, It is about YOU! Thank you.
Jim Licitri (Ohio)
Regional Director
Consumer Choice Marketing
330 247-2465
http://www.teamccm.com/galore
impressionsgalore@yahoo.com
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March 25th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
That’s a funny webiste you have James. Save on my electricity! You can’t do it in MI. Just Commercial and it’s not currently open. The local utilities DTE and Consumers only allow 10% of the commercial accounts to be on the choice program and it’s full! They are hoping that it will open up this spring but it’s all politcal DTE and Consumers are fighting it to the end! Our company is a MLM and most people who get involved do NOTHING and wonder why it didn’t work for them then they say it’s a SCAM! Hum let’s see you have to work at it! Most w2 empolyees don’t understand that because they just go to work and are told what to do and how to do it when they can take a vacation and how much they can get paid! The only utility companies accross the US that will be deregulated are the publicly traded companies the private and the CO-OP’s will not.
Joe Ostervik
Regional Director
CcmGasBroker.Com
YourGasGuy.com
JoeO@CcmGasBroker.Com
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March 28th, 2011 at 2:29 am
I just got into CCM myself and am looking forward to making money due to energy deregulation in the Philly (Doylestown, Bucks County) area. Any individuals that are thinking about joining CCM in the tri-state area or existing CCMers, please call me. I am interested in sponsoring/supporting your efforts, and for others that are already a broker in CCM, joining efforts to host local meetings, support, etc.
Andrew C. Thomas
267-240-8773
andrew-thomas@comcast.net
http://www.teamccm.com/ACTENERGY
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April 28th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
Hello, i like to now what happen that person. you can call me 314 266 3208.
and Ho, if you like to know what the current are on the day to day check out my website. You can sign up for FREE WITH NO COST to you!! please use my FREE tool that can help you capture your client business and it can make money for you. You can use it on your Ipad.
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July 9th, 2011 at 9:07 pm
I am seriously considering joining team CCM. I could use any help or advice on recruiting and marketing. I’ve never been involved in a MLM type of networking before. Over the past years I’ve had extensive experiences in social organization and coalition type of network building. I wonder if these skills can be transferred and value in ccm.
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Jim Licitri Reply:
July 11th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
Larry,
I would be glad to give you advice on the recruiting and marketing side of the business. I am a Regional Director and been with CCM for about 2 years. The key to recruiting is to use the incredible tools provided by the company and to teach duplication with your team. The company has put together a system that works. That is really the key. If you would like to work with someone who is building a large organization please give me a call. I will guide you through the whole process to insure your success! Do a little or nothing, make little or nothing. Do a lot and you could become wealthy! I would like to find out about “you” and what you are looking for to see if this may a good fit for your situation. It is really about “you” not me or CCM.
Call me at 330 310-1325 anytime.
Jim Licitri
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Joe Ostervik Reply:
July 15th, 2011 at 1:30 am
Hello Larry my name is Joe Ostervik and I am a regional director with CCM do you have a sponsor yet??? Let me know and maybe I can can help you get started and would love to have you on my team! Call me if you like 517-548-1954. I have been with CCM since Dec 2008 and all the quotes I have been getting have been great. I mostly have commercial accounts in MI.
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July 11th, 2011 at 10:57 am
Larry I have been with CCM and am very statisfied with the quotes I have been getting for my customers on Commercial accounts. If you are interested in discussing this further or interested in signing up please call mee at 267-240-8773
andy
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July 11th, 2011 at 8:10 pm
Larry,
Please give me a call. I have been with CCM about 2 years. I will be happy to give you the information on recruiting and marketing which you are seeking.
Sincerely,
Jim Licitri (Ohio)- Regional Director
Independent Utility Broker
Consumer Choice Marketing
330 310-1325
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July 16th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
Hi Larry and others.
I am a Regional Director with CCM and have been with them since 2009.I am a very skeptical person when it comes to MLM and I have had 100’s of MLMer’s all try to sell me on their product. The 1st experience I has was with Amway. Great company, great products. Only major problem is there is already millions of distributors. Everything else was the same old same old and there was lots of conditions. CCM is very differnt, it is more of a direct sales company with a network marketing over-ride. What I mean by this, is there are many brokers earning a very livable income without recruiting a single person. That is key. The other key is getting in early. Timing is the one thing that you can not buy or change. It is as valuable as gold.
The best part is, we are getting customers a free service that saves them money, so instead of selling something over-priced, you are in fact not asking for money and putting money back in customer’s pockets.
Most companies require expensive autoship and have an average of 1-2 customers per rep. At CCM we have 14-17 customers per rep. one of the highest I have ever heard of ever.
The company has 5 key pillars to bring success to new people.
1. timing- we are early, but not too early. CCM is past the 1-2 years that99.99% of companies fail in. but also before the big momentem stage.
2. Integrity and leadership- our CEO is an energy expert, not a MLM expert. He has the relationship with suppliers,t he know how, the honesty, the knowledge to make sure the products and services are creme de la creme , our CMO is one of the most successful and honest MLM’ers there is. But he is also among the most humble I have met.
3. good price. well, CCM pricing as far as I have seen is excellent. 95/100 times our rates are better than what I see. noone can be perfect 100% of the time, but constiency. Also we have the CAP program. They close large, medium and small commercial deals for you. noone else has a dept quite like this in MLM. we are also in 27 states ,by far the largest footprint of any energy mlm.
4. comp plan- our comp plan is one of the few that is truly fair. what I mean by this, is in nearly all MLM companies, the plan is designed so that only the top 2-5% of the people make 90-99% of the money. here, the lion’s share of the commission goes to the person who gets that account, the rest is split up to the upline, not the other way around. This distributes the money out the correct way.
There is only 3000-4000 brokers here.
Also, 5. having a stong mentor/team leader.
I am fortunate not only to be a good leader but directly under the most dynamic, honest and caring upline in CCM period. I literally watched this individual go from the having every excuse in life not to do anyting to being the top money producer in MI and one of the top 10 producers period. He did it brick by brick, with integrity and passion.
we have a new site http://www.chooseutility.com this explains our company’s vision on commercial energy.
I also highly recommend you go to http://www.teamccm.com/mrut click on the presentation tab, watch the business presentation for an overview. This is the presentation and will tell you weather this is something that is for you or not.
If you have questions about it, call 248-921-4551
I will be happy to answer questions that will help you make the right decision for you. It may not be for you, or it may be. Only you are the judge on that.
I hope you have a wonderful day!
Mark
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Mark Reply:
July 16th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
I forgot. My email is mrutkowski@ameritech.net
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tom Reply:
July 17th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
i disagree with u 1 is i know u thru a friend 2. i never even made enough money to pay the franchise fee each month 3. ur brokers make a arm and legs off of ur brokers who have brokers under them. 4. u already lost one of ur big shots for ccm. 5. it is a large scam and i sure in the hell never received a ids from ccm to give to the customer. 5. u know damn well who i was working under too and this is not false info either
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Joe Ostervik Reply:
July 17th, 2011 at 6:37 pm
One question to you is have you ever owned your own business in anything??? even if was knitting(which it sound like you should do!) It’s not very hard to cover $40 per month I did that in the first week with just cusomters. If you can’t make $40 per month maybe you should go babysitting! I only maybe make $50 off of my downline out of my $700+ per month(200+ customers) that I earn on my own customers. You have to work!!!!! It doesn’t just fall into your lap like most people seem to think when they join any MLM. It’s not a SCAM anyone who thinks they are going to be a millionaire once they join is very wrong. I own my own business in another industry and I wouldn’t have what I have now if I just sat around on my ASS and complained. I got everything by me doing the work. When you have a JOB(just over broke) that’s when someone has to tell you when to be at work and when you can take lunch and when you can take a vacation how little you can earn that’s what 99% of the people need because they are not motivated enough to make their own money they have to work for someone else! And the person you are talking about is he short dark hair and about 60ish. I can’t remember his name but he went out to start his own energy company and I heard it has already failed! You had to go to a convention to get a ID I have 5! MLM’s are based on duplication of yourself and you will make more money. I have 4 employees who work for me in my other biz and I make money off of them is that a SCAM or a MLM???? What little you really know about business. If you are worried about your upline quitting or moving on it happens all the time. My 3 upline support is gone. I do it on my own no help! GET MOTIVATED!
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Mark Reply:
August 3rd, 2011 at 9:59 pm
Tom,
Your post just leaves me amazingly puzzled. And who are you talking to anyway? YOuknow someone through a friend. Is it me? I highly doubt it. the only tom I can think of that may be critcizing CCM right now is friends with a guy that came from a job that requires a heavy math background, however, that Tom ,as far as I know had told me of one account he closed with CCM that pays alone well over the monthly fee. I think there is one in Lansing, but I am sure he is still with us. So I have no idea who you are or what your talking about, who you are referring to, or anything.
Please give us some clarity.
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July 17th, 2011 at 6:29 pm
Tom,
Sorry you had such a bad experience. Not sure who your reply was directed to. Rather than hit each point you brought up (1-5)I will just say this business is NOT for everyone. This business has worked for many of us like Mark R, Joe O,Laura A, Geo Pros, myself and many others on this blog and who have had the same opportunity, training, and compensation plan as did you. Don’t know your story so I can’t comment other than I am sorry it did not work for you. What we are looking for are “people” persons, entrepreneurs, and financially adventurous individuals who are ready to follow a proven system that THAT JUST PLAIN WORKS! You just have to be willing to implement it. It’s the old story… “do a little or nothing and earn little or nothing. Do a lot and earn a lot.” I certainly wish you the very best and it may be best for you to put this behind you and move on. Hope your future is brighter!
Jim Licitri
Regional Director
330 310-1325
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July 18th, 2011 at 2:32 am
I agree with Joe and Jim, CCM (or any other business) is not free money from heaven. You have to work for it. If you went into CCM thinking otherwise then shame on you. I’m a CCM rep also and have chosen to focus entirely on building a business by acquiring customers and not recruiting reps under me. Over the last two years I have been able to build a nice residual income. I’m not getting rich by it by any stretch but through consistent effort, my monthly commissions checks continue to grow and I am quite happy with how it has gone for me. It’s paid for vacations, new furniture, computers, etc. and has allowed me to build up an additional savings that I otherwise would not have had. I attended many of the training events, recruiting functions and held many PBRs but that part of the business just wasn’t for me. I decided that if I was going to do this, it was going to be by acquiring customers and providing them with real value. So I spent a lot of time learning about the energy industry and because of it, I’ve been able to gather some significant customers. If you are looking for a recruiting trainer mentor, I’m not your guy. Jim or Joe might be better for that purpose. If you’re looking for a customer gathering mentor, I haven’t met another rep that has put the effort into this aspect of the business than me. Feel free to contact me at gannon1987@yahoo.com if your approach to this business is similar to mine.
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Mark Reply:
February 6th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Exactly, well put Jay. If you want free money from heaven, play the lotto.
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July 19th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
Jay,
Great job Jay! That is the beauty of this company. You can go out and just build a great book of business, build a large team, or both! This what makes CCM so unique. There is a place for both types of individuals. Both choices do require effort, after all it is Net”work” marketing. The fact that we have the ability earn residuals on “commercial” and “industrial” accounts makes us different than all the other network marketing companies. Again let me commend you on all your hard work and accomplishments. Although I personally enjoy the leverage that team building offers, CCM offers a great opportunity for both of us. By the way, I never stop looking for customers. I am fortunate to have one of the (if not “the”)top commercial and industrial account
gatherers in CCM on my team. It’s those customer account gatherers like yourself that really drives this company.
Thanks again for making that point!
Jim Licitri
Regional Director
330 310-1325
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July 26th, 2011 at 10:22 am
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August 3rd, 2011 at 4:38 pm
Good morning!
I would like to first address Tom to an extent. Tom, I presume you are referring to a fellow that left ccm. He is not as big as you think. He left ACN to come to CCM. Had nothing but the best things to say. But I hear he left ACN and bad-mouthed them. Then he left CCM and bad mouthed us. He was a guy that violated his contract with CCM. He was given a position in the company which he convinced them he would bring 2000 brokers in less than 1 year. He only brought in 200, yet there were people that came in after him that brought n 1000+ and had to actually earn it. You are not by contract supposed to start your own competing. He was honored at a convention and still in CCM, didn’t leave and yet 3 weeks later he had his company ready. He used our leadership’s contacts that he would not have had, and he was going after all our brokers, also a violation of contract. I wish him well of course, but I lost all respect for this person for doing this. I don’t typically like to talk about someone else but that is the story.
As for CCM.
Let me put it this way. I was very unsuccessful in my other MLM I did, because I had no experience, and it was oversaturated beyond oversaturated. That is what I talked about in terms of timing. we are way under saturated.
I also was terrible at MLM or sales period, yet I have been getting paid every month, on time, the correct amount for 2 +years now and it goes up every month.
Most of my income is from customers. In fact, my customer income is profitable above the licensing fee.
I don’t know the exact number, but I believer that 85% of the brokers in CCM get a paycheck. And a solid number are making over the monthly fee.
However, muck like the others asked.
$40/mo for a business that is your overhead in CCM.
People who come in to the business to make money and complain about this, what? Was your goal to make $20/mo is that what you saw in making money as a business? My goal is to make an income that pays my bills, pays for bad habits (IE hobbies and recreation) and have some left over to save and invest.
I’ll give you this Tom. CCM started in May 2008. and it is was a brand new company, and was debt free/profitable from day 1, however, we all know that 99% of businesses fail in the first year (that would bring CCM to May 2009), 99% that are left over don’t make it past their 2nd year (for ccm that would be May 2010) and 50-90% of those don’t make it to their 3rd year (may 2011 CCM). Once you make 3 years, than you know you have made it.
But why is that?
Every company experiences growing pains. And issues/problems early on.
I will be honest, in Mar 2009 when I got in for the first several months we had many website issues, reporting issues and much many more obstacles to overcome. But our leaders are very tenacious in making sure thing go right.
We initially hired an outside company to do our websites. They did a horrible job. So than it took some months to hire our own IT dept. they recreated everything for 2 websites, than the redesigned it again. The first 2 years they built a solid foundation.
What happens in many companies is this: WE are ground floor, but we got 80,000 reps in the first month!!!!
Um, well these companies fall totally apart because they can’t handle the influx of people. We grew at a pace early on that was crazy, and it created some issues, but we took a breath, and our company made things happens. Now it is all ironed out. Everything is now where we want it to be and ready for huge growth, with the ability to keep up with it and make it work.
CCM also is changing the entire industry as well
By the way, who here knows the definition of an illegal pyramid scheme? Well, basically it is when you get paid on recruiting only and not products. I was on the phone with another un-named energy company who is no longer in business; we asked point blank “what is your customer requirement? He said they didn’t have one” which is why they had 400 accounts to 2000 reps at the time. At CCM you don’t get paid a dime until you get customers. You don’t get paid on your group until you get customer qualified with 3 customers. The national average for MLM is about 1.9 customers per rep, CCM has around 17-18
But here is the real kicker, why did I choose CCM? Integrity.
And the approach they had at meetings I Liked.
Usually you go to an MLM meeting and it is all glitz and glamour and they talk about millions of dollars everyone can make, and then show flashy cars and boats and throw numbers at you like $20,000/mo if you just do this, that and this, oh how easy, even a monkey can do it.
There is always this fun music, and great videos of people looking real slick and so on.
Well I was drawn to this company besides all the other reasons I posted because they are the most transparent company ever.
Even the guy that is the multi multi millionaire and everyone talks about his success. He is the most honest and humble guy I know.
At CCM they promote the idea of, one step at a time.
Their goal is first to get your money back. Can be done 10 different ways easily. Than to get each new person to the $40/mo residual, because then the business is free and then they want to stay in to get their profit. Than we try to get them to $100. Once their we help people get to $300-$500 (IE, car payment, insurance payment, a vacation here and there etc.) than work on $1000/mo than $1500, than $2000. And you just go on and on from there.
But we don’t say, hey, come in and make $20,000/mo in 1 year. No. That is foolish to think you can do this unless you are a big time MLM er and bring half your group with you. I am keeping precise records of every pay check; even break it down into residual and 1 time bonuses. And doing a monthly average, an average since inception etc… Every number is continuously going up.
Also, most of these MLM companies, if you don’t recruit, you can’t make money, or on customers, they have very hard customer qualifications that wind up costing you just to get your big bonuses. WE don’t have a car they give to 2 people per year off 1000s of distributors, no, we have it so you can earn the money for the car payments on the same car so everyone can get one at their own pace. We just get $$$, not cars.
I would rather have the income.
You see, as a guy that knows math so well, I understand the bell curve quite well.
In many MLM companies the comp plan is designed so that 1-5% of people make a super good living. Less than 10% even can make enough to live on. 95% is given to 2% of the people.
Ok, well at CCM you can come in, not recruit a single person and make a very livable income. A couple of our top 20 money earners didn’t even recruit one person; they went out and gathered a lot of customers. And that tells me something. With all those customers, our product is obviously excellent.
But, I encourage both. I like getting customers, and leveraging. Doing both is the best way to go rather than trying to do 100% by you.
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August 8th, 2011 at 7:50 pm
What happens if you run out of customers to promote this business to? What happens if someone thats never been in any mlm program before, and cant recruit not one customer or rep to save his life? There pretty much screwed right? So how many reps or customers or both does one need to cover his 40.00 monthly fee? Cause no one wants to pay a monthly fee continously with not a dime coming back in. This is why most people jump from program to program every couple of weeks, cause there not making anything when they join.
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Mark Reply:
August 9th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
Hi Danny,
Let me start off by asking you. Have you heard of Mary Kay? Amway? Tupperware? All companies that have been around for 50+ years and have 4-6 million reps each and none of them have even come close to running out of getting new customers? albiet timing is not right as the big money has been made, but it is still quite possible for people to come in and make enough money to retire on.
As for energy customers. Let’s take just my very localized area. in MI for natural gas only 15-18%of the cutsomers have ven made a chioce and I got an answer from one of the the companeis that said, if you closedd a deal every 10 minutes in this very localized area only every 10 minutes of every hour 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 weeks a year it would take 43 years before we ran out of customers.
but you just said it, if you can’t recruit one single person, or esepcially if you cn’t even get one single customer, than you are far better off not being in the business. i won’t recruit someone that has no desire to be successful. And quite honestly, go around , ask every business owner you know how much their monthly overhead is. As an independent fee appraiser assisant, who couldn’t even sign his own appraisals yet had to pay an average of $50-$150/mo for classes to maintain credits, andthen to have access to the appraisal program, hae access to the couple boards and basic software it wsa costing me close to $400/mo, a full appraiser is probably at least $1000/mo and this is one of the lowest overheads there are. If you are in business and worried only aobut making $40/mo than you are not in business. I didn’t get into busienss to make $40/mo or even $80/mo I amin it to make enough to live my life.
But what does that cover? let me explain.
Number one, it covers having your own CAP agents closing commercial deals for you, you do not have to spend all the money it takes to become certified and it leverages your time. It covers them donig extremely detailed tracking for you for all your customers,all your reps, training, and much more. What if you had downline? it would cost you 45 cents just to mail them a check. so you get 80 people that covers that.
So
1. If you have never been in a MLM program? the beauty of CCM is you don’t have to recruit to make good money, it is a direct sales company with an MLM over-ride payout system for those who like to build.
you can’t get one customer? If one can not get one sigle customer where you are a. saving them money on expesnes they already incur and have 0 choice for paying, you are essentially putting money in their pocket and b. not charget them a dime to do so and c. you have help from the CAP agetns, then I don’t have an answer for that.
There are so many ways to cover your $40/mo
If all you want is nothing but residentail gas customers, than 40. but in some states we do electricity,cut that in half. but if you do commercial accounts, you could easily get 5-7 pretty small mom and pop places and cover that easily.
if you recruit, you could do it with sponsoring 2-3 people and they each sponsor 2-3, and not even having a customer yet. oh, but you don’t get paid a dime unless you get customers by the way, I don’t care how much downline you have.
On the electricity side, things go a lot faster. I talked to a car dealership, they happeneed to be in a contract for awhile, but later on when we get the account it will pay around $40/mo for gas,and $135 for electricity. one account. A guy who owns and operates say 2-3 restuarnts will easily pass that up, even with gas only that would get you either to $40 or close.
Some people have one single account that pays far more.
however, because it isn’t only that, remember you can have one customer that runs a busienss and you can get
1. their commercial gas bill, 2. their residentila gas bill, 3.(in many stats) their commercial electric bill and in some states also their resiential electric bill, 5. their cell phone, 6. landline 7. cable bill, 8. internet bill 9. commercial telecom bill. 10. savings advantage card which includes a tremendous expene tracker softwrare voice recognition software for both business and residential, and also includes 38 other amazing benefits, 11. SMS texting platform that has less than 1% market penetration and I haven’t even scratched the surface yet.
I have analyzed and overanalyzed the comp plans of CCM,and many many many other MLM’s etc.. As an engineer. I’ll tell you why people jump around. 1. you are correct, it is because they find it is hard to make money. CCM doesn’t create all these crazy hoops to jump through. They don’t have a car they give way to that costs $80G to give only to peopel that make it to the to level, instead, they just payout money.
2. I have found that a vast majority of comp plans are designed so that only 2%-10% of the people make what I would call livable money. And only 1-4% make very good money while 90-98% of the people make very little and the average MLM company has 1.2 customers/rep ratio. CCM has nearly a 17:1 margin right now. And it seemst to be going up, not down as we get more reps.
CCM is very transparent with everything.Your back office is unbelivably detailed. It shows you how much exaxtly you make off of each customer every single month, including how much gas or electricity they use so that you know exactly what you get paid on for every single account.On your downline, they break it down for every match made and, let me put it this way. You always know down to the wire where every penny is coming from and I really like that.
I need to find it in my saved files, but I actaully wrote out and calculated at least 10 differnet ways to get your $40 back, and several ways to make $100/mo and so on.
call me at 248-921-4551 if you want details.
I’ll email them to you or anyone else who wants to know.
I’ll tell you the other reason I like CCM vs. other companies.
I don’t hear a lot of “rah rah” talk or “smoke and mirrors” or “bells and whistles”. they don’t sit there saying join now and retire tomorrow, NO. They always maintain that this is a real busienss, and it takes actaul work to make money. It doesn’t come from sitting around hoping.
I like the honesty and integrity that they have.
Now, technically it is possible to make significan money in a short time, but it is certainly not the norm. The norm is more along the lines of being steady. Taking it one step at a time. If you like customers, I am very good with the math and know where to go to teach someone on the customer side very well. My direct upline is one of the most amazing recruiters and teachers of recruiting you will ever meet and if you have anyone interested he is a good person to close them out. He’ll help you very much on recruiting and can.
I can’t garuntee anything though. noone can.
I won’t take someone on unless they commit to be custoemr qualified within 48 hours. why? If you can’t get 3 points when 1-2 of them can be your own gas account and one other product, and just go find 1 person , well, you aren’t ready for it. I say line potential customer up so that the day you get in you just get them on right away. plus you get $50 back the following Friday for that. if you get 7 more in 30 days you get $100 on top of that. However, to me, those fast starts aren’t the most important, the real solid residuals are.
BTW, speaking of not recruiting.
there are like I said roughly 3000 people in the entire busienss and of the top 10 money makers in the company 1-2 of them are people that never recruited a sinlge person and just got a bunch of commercial accounts.
is there money here? yes.
do you have to work for it , yes?
is it worth it?
Well, let’s look at it this way.
I would say $3000/mo is what would be considered good income. very solid and certainly a college degree level position , even most of them don’t pay more than that.
You can get that kind of job, work for 40+ years and get social security that pays $1000-$2200/mo after all those years. Even if you have a pension it may increas that another $1000-$2000. but I think I am being very generous and don’t think pensions are going to be around much longer, let alont social security.
Let’s just say you take a really really long time to build up your client list?
what if it takes you 7 years to have a lifetime residual of $3000/yr is that worth it?
I am not even 40 yet and I know I will be well over that in 7 years. or I could wait until I hit 65 which is almost 20 years further than this.
But honestly I know within 1-2 more years I will be at this level because of the commitment and effort I am putting in.
I have kept track of my income and it is steadily going up, and is residual.
thank you
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GEO.Pros JP Reply:
December 30th, 2011 at 7:17 pm
Oh your thinking if I dont sponsor one I lose?
Hmm:
Signed .
Saved 40-70 in in-home office initially.
First restaurant paid 52/mo comm electricity deregulated in OHIO…
Next my DEAR SPONSOR passed 2 accounts to me to go get closed!
I do the same!
Ya show 1/mo at a meeting and WORK with me you win too!
440 285 4977 send your text first please.
THOUSANDS earned in 2011 BECAUSE OF CCM NON-SPONSOR PROFITABILITIES !!!
Cafe owner benefits over 300/ mo… WITHOUT SPONSORED REPS IN ANY LINES…
This country needs WORKERS telling WORKERS.
The rest has followed superbly.
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August 9th, 2011 at 8:09 pm
Danny F.
There are over 300 million people and millions of businesses in the country as well. You will NEVER run out of customers. Many people seem to be hung up on this recruiting thing. CCM has systems and tools in place to aid you in that. I don’t care what business you start or mlm company you join if you do “little or nothing” you earn “little or nothing!” If you do a lot (of the right things) you can earn a lot! Can it be any simpler to understand? My guess is that you have not ever been in business for yourself. Any entrepreneur out there knows that owning a business requires some work… and oh yeah customers. This business is NOT for everyone. It does not look like it is a good fit for you as it is just not a good fit for everyone. Here are the 3 qualities to look for when bringing on a partner. 1. A people person. 2. Entrepreneurial. 3. Financially adventurous. If they do not fit these 3 qualifications then it is probably not a good fit for them. Make sense? People bounce from one MLM to another thinking that magically “this” one will be different and all I have to do is join and somehow the money will start rolling in. NOT SO. Remember this is netWORK marketing. Notice the word “WORK”! If you need more info please give me a call.
Jim Licitri
Regional Director CCM
330 310-1325
PS: Hey Mark… See ya at the National Convention 8/19-20th!
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August 10th, 2011 at 3:32 am
Hi everyone and team members. Everyone, make sure you get to the nataional convention. Don’t miss this. Yes I realize that you can say “oh, well I don’t need to go, I’ll find out” well, no, go! Everyone that goes has a chance to get an extra $1000 but you must be present to have a shot at this. Also, there are going to be announcemnts that are so big and mind blowing that I wouldn’t miss this. If you have a wedding you planned for or your child will be born this week or you are out of the country, ok, but for everyone else, be there.
And I will be happy to always answer questions about CCM.
I know the comp plan in and out, upsidedown, diagonally, inverted etc… I also know a lot about energy, have tons of notes I took and if I can’t answer I have access to those who have eveyr answer you are looking for. Call me at 248-921-4551 and I’ll be sure to a. answer or b. get answers to any energy questions, comp plan questions, how CCM differs from other companies, anything you want to know. I will stop at nothing to get you the correct answers to your questions.
SIncerely
Mark
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August 12th, 2011 at 8:11 am
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August 31st, 2011 at 4:06 pm
CCM keeps on getting better!
We have now introuduced more products available to residential customers, for sure in Michigan, but in other states as well, and this offers further utility markets.
I want to say, there are so many network marketers I talk to and the first words that come out of their mouth are “oh, you should join my company, I made $$xxxxxx in the first XXXX days/months/weeks” ok, well I am not the least bit impressed with this type of thing. MLM is about residual income. These claims are all about fast start bonuses only. Who cares what you made in your first month? I want to know what is your real residual like? are you getting paid every month weather you do something or not?
http://www.teamccm.com/mrut 248-921-4551 *see the equation for financial freedom
I have a true residual coming in and still getting paid on customers I signed up over 2 years ago when I first came in. None of my customers have left, the only one I don’t have anymore is a customer that doesn’t own that property anymore, but they are signing up with me on their new building.
Most of the time they don’t talk much about residuals.
That is why we are here.
Also, I know there are companies out there that try to use smoke and mirror tactics when talking about energy. For example, I spoke with someone conteplating joining another company that pays a very high percentage on the bill, what they don’t tell you is that it is only on a percentage of the bill, than you have to get about 25 customers, and once youreach that you have to put in at least 1-2 customer every single month to maintain that and it isn’t anywhere close to what you think it is. Plus they use a supplier that is only in 2-3 states. And a supplier who hasn’t even been around for less than 1 year, maybe not even 6 months. I would much rather be in the 27 states and growing company with more on the way, with a proven track record, CAP agents with companies that are rated highly on the BBB , have excellent credit rating, take care of the custoemrs consistently, etc..
Now, I know there is also a company out there who has a marketing arm that talks about how big the company is, but I would ask anyone to challenge them to this;
check out the company on the BBB website, not the MLM but the company they are gathering customers for. last year they were rated F on the BBB in most areas, some areas had D’s and as high as a C which is nothing to brag about.
I challenge them to compare apples to apples rate comparisons of what they charge customers in local utlitities vs CCM suppliers, and also how they do business. I know of one company that would lock people in to 5 year rates that scared customers into thinking rats always go up and charge ridulous fees to get out but their rates tend to be higher than the local utilitis most of the time instead of the other way around like our partenered suppliers do. Call me at 248-921-4551 I’ll be happy to help you review either suppliers or companies who do what we do and compare/contrast difference. Ask anyone in CCM who knows me how good I am with numbers, math and analyticial thinking. Believe me, I have analyzed and analyzed and analyzed til I was blue in the face every company I can find in both worlds. CCM is bar none the best company out there period for all the reasons I have posted throughout here and this overall blog. I challenge anyone to compare.If you compare the whole picture to all companies, I am 1000% confident you will join CCM or be a customer of our suppliers and will never leave us.
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September 17th, 2011 at 10:31 pm
Does anyone know what the procedure is to cancel your broker account with CCM? Cannot find it on the broker site, cannot find it in the snailmail package they sent.
I did send an email message to broker support, but who knows how long it will take to get a reply?
And for all of you rah rah people don’t even start with me. I was enticed to join by the crew leaving AMAnation who assured me 1) electric was coming to my region and 2) free solar panel installation was coming to my region within the year. Six months later, I get definitive word neither is happening and told to concentrate my efforts to recruit people under me outside my immediate area. NOT what I had signed up for.
Never mind that I have a very strong consumer prospect base to work within my own area and none outside. And I was very specific as to what programs I was told would be online within the year that I wanted to pursue. So. Anyone have the cancellation procedure info?
Thanks!
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Mark Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 4:15 am
Hi gidget,
I am curius, where are you located? What are your issues besides what you said? Afterall, today they launhced solar in CA in a pilot program, and in 203 months they will be moving to several more states, which I don’t know yet, but as for electricity and or gas, if your local utility isn’t part of CCM I can pretty much assure you noone has else has it either. Where are you? I have a list of every local utilty and state located for both electric and gas. Aslo as far as quitting, simply don’t pay the $39, you won’t get paid or anything, but they usually allow someone 12 months before they totally get rid of it so that you can maintain your current position particularly if you have customers or a downline that may grow later to giv eyou benefit of the doubt. But if you simply don’t pay your site won’t be up and you owe nothing. I can look throught the back office for you. contact me if you have any questions.
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GEO.Pros JP Reply:
December 30th, 2011 at 7:23 pm
I always have to remove humanity from the pedestals I therewith them place…
G:
Comm electricity IS PULLING LEADS FOR CONTRACTORS- and thousands in 2011.
Just go to another source, like Nick or Eric at 419 794 1404 about up and coming..
BUT THE WORK AT HAND is very plentiful: PULL COMM BILLS at every Church, restaurant, property owners make better broker-self-reps for their plans of leasing dictates of “this supplier” for Cabl, Phone, Ut’y their tennants follow JUST LIKE MANY OTHER MANAGEMENT COMPANIES ALREADY SO DO …
I profit nothing from cross-line assisting you in dollars… but the joy of SHOWING and assisting success is toooooooo coooooool !
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October 20th, 2011 at 11:54 am
Hi,
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So, what kind of sciences are they?
I found out that they may belong to constructive sciences or formal science but I am not sure.
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Thanks.
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Mark Reply:
October 26th, 2011 at 4:18 am
Harish, why are you posting that here?
But to answer your question, formal science. is one answer.
I would also call it in my own words “science of logic”
Now, let me ask you, what does this have to do with CCM?
do you want to know information on CCM, or what?
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October 23rd, 2011 at 1:59 pm
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October 26th, 2011 at 4:34 am
I haven’t posted since August but I would like to add some wonderful updates to CCM.
first of all we are now in evenmore states than before and we should get more soon , but we increased the number of local utilities within states we already had which is now at 28 states total.
HUGE thing starting today. For anyone in California we can now do solar energy quotes for commercial and even residential and this will expand further in the 1st quarter of 2012. I ‘ll let you nkow once I have more information.
I can tell you even if one doesn’t like to recruit at all, the pay for commercial accounts is really good, compare it to any other MLM and you will be super hard prssed to find anyting that is even comparable. Don’t be fooled by people who quote you get paid 5%=10% of the bill,when you hear such things, it is a lot of smoke and mirrors. CCM shows you clear cut exactly how you get paid. 5-10% is more than the supplier would even make off the customers themselves.
just a word of advice for people doing due dilligence.
the myutilitybrokers.com site or in my case http://www.myutilitybrokers.com/mrut you will notice we now have a button for triple plays , so you can do tv, internet and hphone all from 1 site, but you get 3 customer points if you get the triple play plus all 3 commissions, but it is easier to navigate for customers and get it done. this is a great thing.
Also the footprint of these services themselves are expanding from where they were before too. I am one of those guys that doesn tons and tons of research and keeps all sorts of statistics,charts and everything on all this. if anyone has questions I can no doubt find the answer for you. But please, if you want me to spend a lot of time on the phone with you, and are thiking about joining the business, I expet you to join me on my team.
trust me, you have the best team in CCM to be on because not only do I work hard for my team, but my personal sponsor is the best of the best in CCM and truly cares about everyone as well, and has the experience necessary that if him, me and you work together,and you put the work forth, you will have the greatest chance of success through our commitment to you.
But anyway, we have the SMS texting, the expense tracker, the price of CCM at least til the later part of November is only $199 compared to the normal price of $279 but if that is too much for you, than this isn’t for you anyway. you have to treat this like a million dollar business if you expect to make excellent money. You don’t earn money simply by joining, it is net”work” marekting, but the true residuals will be well worth the effort.
If you like the recruiting side, we have new training and tools that is practically a step by step approach and very well done and very duplicatable.
Please contact me with questions.
Mark
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November 3rd, 2011 at 10:58 am
Great website. A lot of useful info here. I’m sending it to some pals ans also sharing in delicious. And naturally, thanks for your effort!
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November 7th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
You can certainly see your skills within the paintings you write. The world hopes for more passionate writers like you who aren’t afraid to mention how they believe. All the time follow your heart.
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November 10th, 2011 at 6:15 am
good answer, my roommate does it and i just need to give him a good reason to quit telling me to do it haha. thanks
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GEO.Pros JP Reply:
December 30th, 2011 at 7:28 pm
Welllllllllllllll
My heart has deceived me more than a couple of times, so I research and council with others to CONTINUE receiving tousands in leads and CCM income by hearing how to pull commercial invoices in Ohio alone / of 16 other states.
Look up IGS Col Oh,, now why did they explore the residential electricity market to be finishing their new building for the EXPLOSION of OHIO residential looming?
over a dozen great commercial electricity payments paying me sure “fixed” the crabs in the bucket I left… for CCM/Options Energy…!
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November 12th, 2011 at 3:34 am
Marina, Tanda and Agnes, what are you guys talking about? Who are you referring to?
If you need to know anything about CCM, ask me. I’ll get find out the answer for you.
Mark
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November 20th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
Mark,
I think they are on the wrong blog!
HOWEVER, ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!
CCM is allowing us to bring a new broker in during November and December for FREE! UNBELIEVABLE!
All new brokers will still pay the monthly fee ($39.95) however the one-time entry fee of $199 is waived. Let me repeat that… the $199 one time entry fee is WAIVED!
That is incredible! What is also amazing is that the new broker who signs up can “also” bring in their first broker for FREE as well and so on and so on down the line! Can you say EXPLOSION! OMG!
For anyone who would like to take advantage of this incredible offer please give me (or Mark) a call and we will fill you in on the details! Give the gift of CCM to everyone you know! Who do you know that wants to save money and make money? Who would you like to help?
Thank you!
Jim Licitri
Regional Director- CCM
330 310-1325
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November 20th, 2011 at 7:39 pm
I think you are right, must be the wrong blog because it doesn’t even seem to correlate with anything here. Yes indeed, we do have the ability to bring someone in, but only use it if you are really going to do this business.
We had some incredible training last Saturday. Anyone who would really like to get a good look at this, call me at 248-921-4551 I’ll get you down to corporate HQ on Friday Dec 2. We have an open house. How often do you get to meet the owners of a company like this?
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November 20th, 2011 at 8:26 pm
You got it Mark! It is never about signing someone up just to get them signed up. It is about “helping” people improve their situation and helping them become successful by partnering with them. Waiving the $199 for the right person is a great thing! It’s not about us, it’s about them.
I attended the training as well in Beachwood, Ohio yesterday and it was incredible just like you said. This company just keeps getting better, better, and better!
Jim Licitri
330 310-1325
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November 30th, 2011 at 11:46 pm
I think it’s kinda funny that one of the largest network marketting companies has to send their reps to call us/me to ask about energy! One called and said they were interested in getting involved and “they were looking at ACN too”! I geve her a ear full of great stuff about CCM and how we are the best in the business! Ya right just getting info because they have no idea about energy. Remember other energy companies we have the the ENERGY KING! And his name is Doug Teskey and a office full of energy experts! We can get you involved for no start up cost until December 31,2011. Love to have you on my team and in the CCM family.
Thanks
Joe Ostervik
Regional Director MI
517-548-1954
TeamCcm.com/CcmGasBroker for all the biz info
YourGasGuy.com for all our products and services
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December 1st, 2011 at 1:43 am
I beileve one of the reasons we have people asking us questions is because the training we receive from our mentors, mainly Doug, and even the CAP agents is 2nd to none. They teach us product so well that anyone who wants ot know energy, or other products for that matter, get passionate traininng with information that is very helpful to not just us the brokers, but to the customers. It enable us to take very good care of them. Not everyone here necissarily likes to be an expert though so having the CAP dept works wonders for you on commercial accounts. But we are also like a family. That is one solid thing about CCM. We have something called “timing” in the industry and in the company itself. In MLM there a few phases. 1.Foundation (where the owners of the company put together the company and get things going). 2. Forumlation (where it further develops but it has its ups and downs due to what makes all businesses either make it or not and it grows slowly, sometimes too fast for a company to handle, but building). 3. momentum (a couple stags) Momentum 1. where the company got established and ready to go and it starts to take off, 2, super momentum, a period of 5-20 years where the company and your downline grows so fast you can’t keep track). stage 4 or 5, is maturation and stabilty. thi sis where the company is a billion or multi billion dollar company where growth is mabye 2-4% per year. CCM is at the cusp of the momentum stage at the point wher eit is just now starting to really take off. the next 5-20 years are going to be a joyride for us!
But guess what, timing is one thing that can’t be bought.
In other words, you don’t neccisarily want to get in too early at foundation always because 99.9% of those companies fail, but you want to still be in early because I don’t care what anyone says, it is way easier to make money when you are early. You can screw up many times and still become a millionaire, whereas somethign 50 years old that grows 1-2% per year you have to be a superstart to become a millionaire. Joe, Jim and I were fortunate because we all got in earlier than we should because we were all in the first 1000 brokers in the company, and there is still under 4000, early is usually anything under 20,000 but our company was profitable and debt free from its first day of operation. We met the owners and I know Joe and Jim, like myself saw something. We saw the integrity of the owners, and they treat you like family even with the growth. in a few years when there are 50,000 people they won’t be able to give all new people that kind of attention though knowing them they will certainly try.
But there is also a concept of being closest to the money. IE. The owners put up money to get a company started and the company makes money, “The begining” being in the first couple years or so you are very close to the money. when you come into a company 50 years old, you are so far away from the money you need a telescope to see it.
anyone truly serious about learning both the product and networking sides and is very serious about putting forth the effort and action needed to be done, I can honestly say that not only can I help you a lot, but my sponsor is the top producer in the whole state of Michigan, but it isn’t just that, he genuinely cares about everyone on his team and helps them all along as well.
Mark 248-921-4551
http://www.teamccm.com/mrut
Regional Director Consumer Choice Marketing
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December 5th, 2011 at 12:44 am
Anybody that is in MLM but feel they are not getting upline support, talk to me. I have had that happen before and I am one who gives full support to my team, and my upline sponsor does as well so if training, support and feeling like you are part of the team is lacking and important, I would love to have you on my team and build it together and build solid busienss and solid frienship. Of course, I encourage you to make sure you like the company first but I love to help others! 248-921-4551
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December 8th, 2011 at 6:03 pm
I am so truly confident in CCM and our owners, our support, our vision and our track record, that I know that anyone that works with CCM, it will be their final stop in direct sales, mlm. why? see http://yourenergybiz.net/splash1.php?id=76
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December 16th, 2011 at 2:43 am
Here we are in December, the temperature is about to get cold, heating bills up so this is a great time to be part of CCM! imagine when after paying for holiday gifts and high bills come! they will want to lower them quickly.
Now, how do you know what makes a good company.
first of all, the integrity of the leadership. Doug and Bill have amazing integrity, and in depth knowledge in their respective fields of energy and network marekting respecitvely. and they are at the top of their game in those fields.
Also so down to earth. They don’t hpype anything up, get excited they do, sure, but there is lots to be excited about but no bells and whistles or pretty cars. we don’t need that hype.
It is good to be in an energy company and all MLM’s but you have to know what you are looking at. I am barrowing a little here from a friend of mine in the business but he is right. All companies have their bonsues, and bounties, and up front payments. Do not, I REPEAT!! do NOT be all hped up and impressed by people in other companies that tell you things like “Hey, I am in company xyz, I made $5000 in just 3 weeks” or “I made 100,000 m first 18 months, or 500 in the first day. Anytime you are given a statemnt of a certai figure in a relative short time frame, they are telling you their up frong bonuses, not residual.
Bonuses are great of course, they get you a fast start and have money in the bank so that should you decide to use money for business cards, travel, or however you want to run the business, you will have money while you are waiting for those accounts to start kicking in.
And when it comes down to residual. Really disect the plan.
And ideally, look not at how much money you make per account on the 1st-8th levels. Most mlm’s pay you way more the further level you go up to the max level. If you see this, it is telling you the company is only paying the top few people. think about it. the people 8 levels down don’t have as good a chance of having as many people on their level 8 if they are on your level 8 do they? no , not normally. and that is due to the growth curve. at least after the momentum stage is over, that should be several years but still. they reward the top of the top off of everyone working way harder for hardly anything to show for it CCM pays a vast majority of the commission to you, the guy or gal who got the account.
so you want to look at how much they are paying you for “energy only, and personally, residually” not 1 or 2 of these,but all 3!
That is why you are in the business isnt’ it?
Most of the companies that actaully post amounts for residential, are usually for electricity and on personals range anywhere from a nickel to 50 cents.
Now, usually some o fthese get up to a dollar at say 2000 kwh/ mo or sometimes it isn’t until yo uget to 4000.
I did research. around 85% of residential accounts use between 500-1500kw/mo so sure you might get $1 or even $1.50 every so often, but since 85% will be under $1, compared to us who gets a dollar no matter what, that proves we have a very solid residual in this industry.
some companies use tactics like get paid a percentage of the bill, and say oh you get 10% of the bill. so here you go thinking that you can go get a bill paying $1000/mo and get 100/mo on it. wrong. first of all they are only paying on the supply portion which is probably only half that. 2nd, typically customers 1-10 are 1% 11-20 are 2% 21-30 3% 31-50 and 5% 10% after 50. Well my goodness. you know the average network marketing company has less than 3 customers per rep, in energy it is about 8 or 9 from what I could muster up CCM I believe to have the higest in the industry is around 17 we do have several brokers well over 50 but it isn’t an overwhelmig majority we don’t need that many, with commercial accounts we get paid a lot more anyway so hey.
Than you look further into the plan and it says you get paid only on the first $30 of the bill.
commercially the highest you tend to see is $125 for anyting 5000 mcf and above for the year. or maybe it was 50,000 kwh. regardless.
that means if you got 50 customers already and you got a really ince 1 million kwh account they would pay you $12.50/mo where was we would pay $1000/yr or $83.33 per month. What do you like more???
I don’t know, being a mathemetian I would perfer the 83.
also there is a comp plan I have seen out there where you have no fees no start up cost and canmake residuals and even down line levels. now,you get paid a bounty on your personal customers. You do not get resisuals. I asked 5 diffrent people the same question from this comp plan if I am reading it right, they all confirmed it. you get the residuals from you downline’s accounts only residualy. While this is really nice for someone that builds a team, over time, sure they’ll pay well, but I think it is far more fair to have a true residual on your own personal custoemrs. they have commercial and actaully pays per kw what we do, but hold on, same thing not on personals. L1-7 as it tapers off but level 1 pays close to us with a ceiling.
so hold on, let’s say I go get a hosptial that uses 20 million kw/month I sign them up , get some nice up front bonus, but my upline makes a residual of say $150/mo but I just get a bounty. I don’t see what kinds of sense that makes. I could be wrong, but it is written this way from what I can tell.
CCM pays the vast majority of the commisions to the broker who gets an account. and splits the rest between upline.
again.
another thing to check: the leadership of the company.
Are any of the owners or ceos, real energy experts? or are they just mlm experts? becasue if they are not energy experts at the top of the company, it may look nice today, but due to all the laws, regulations, and nature of energy, not knownig is going to one day surprise you the rep and the ship goes down. Or if they came form insurance, or corporate america, who cares? do they know energy? we have doug , an energy guru. as the owner.
some of the mlm’s do have this, and some do not.
next, find out who they are marketing for, what supplier or suppliers. many of these companies market only for one company only, which is one reason it takes them forever to get to new states. why we started behind them and overtook and got the largest footpring in a short time. We have a multitude of suppliers and look for the best ones across the country and don’t limit ourselves to just 1, it is usually 2-4 suppliers we tend to work with in each utilty for the most part.
That allows, not only residential, but espeically commercial to get a better product, since they know they are competing with our other suppliers for their business.
But for those who market just one supplier, be sure and check the BBB across the country on them. There are in fact some energy companies that have been on TV many times across the country ,and like a chameleon change their name every few years. in other words, check out the BBB to see what they rate them. but also search online and the word scam or somthing like it to see if there are videos showing practices I would never partake in.
I wouldn’t market for any companies like that even if they paid $80000/ kwh.
It is very important to pick the right company
btw, with a free company, well, you would probably be told the ratio of recruiting is better. not necissarily. i have noticed the people who come in for free here, about 75% plus of them don’t do anything with the busienss at all. why? they don’t have any game to lose, so they don’t play.
you need some investment in the game, it is giong to motivate you to acaully go do something. that is why being such a cheap business model is easy to overlook. If it cost you $10000 to get in, how much harder do you think people would go about and work to make things happen?
albeit, at this time of year everyone has gifts to buy and usualy doesn’t have any money left over but want to pay their bills. I believe the motive for doin gthe business would be to make money at this time. I have a christmas gift left to give and give someone the opportunity to earh the income potentinal in CCM waiving the start up cost.
I hope some of the info I gave was helpful to help people analyze when they are looking at compartive companies.
oh, and one other thing, look at footprint size, would you rather market n a company that has 5 states or 28? where do you believe more potential is? and 50 states for other services! you don’t have to pick CCM, although I would certainly advise it after extensive research
high level of integirty too.
Anyway, anyone that would like to have a chance to make some money for the holidays and new year and get their business staretd but money to start is an issue, I do have a christmas bonus I can give you that I have left. And I will work with you to help you achieve your goals!
288-921-4551
http://yourenergybiz.net/splash1.php?id=76
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December 26th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
CCM is on the path to have a spectacular 2012.
Just so everyone knows, since feb 2009, CCM already had what I condider to be the best energy payout per residential customer and commercial that i could find in MLM.
But the first 5 ways we got paid sicne 2009, product residuals, bonuses etc.. aways remained in tact and they have done nothing but just keep on adding. 2012 will add much more.
We have grown a lot
2009 February we had
Residential gas in MI, OH and just launched part of PA with soem commercial available (plus the standard internet, tv and phones)
HEre we are about to kick off 2012 with
28 states with commercial and residential gas and elctricity (either 1,2,3 or all of these)
we added sms texting, savings advantage card, Expense tracker
currently in a pilot program for solar in CA.
and they are adding more payouts in Jan. The relationshps we have , becuase of our leader, are so strong and getting stronger, we will be the last man standing
I am not just saying this, I have really watched this happen slowly and surely.
call me
248-921-4551 with questions
being after xmas and a new year starting, this is a good time to either save money, or make some extra.
Mark
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January 1st, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Mark,
Once again great breakdown of comp plans by other MLM companies trying to do what we at CCM are already doing successfully. I have spent many a day explaining ACN, Just Energy, and Ambit’s comp plan to the brokers who are currently in those companies and do not even understand their “own” comp plan. Many have joined my team with a clear understanding of how “we” at CCM are paid. Needless to say they like our comp plan much better once they look at both plans side by side. There is a common theme that I am running across that is even more important than the comp plans and that is upline support. First of all we are here to “help” people get to where they want to be financially. It is NEVER about signing them up and wishing them good luck. It is about partnering with them and helping them, because as you see it is about “them” NOT us. Also what is unique about our company is that I know if I have brokers who would like to attend meetings in Michigan I know Mark or Joe will welcome them as part of their meeting. They also know that if they have brokers in Ohio that they can send them to our meetings and myself or JP will welcome them as well. You rarely see that in other companies…ever. One thing that I have learned over the past 2+ years is that people are really looking for someone to partner with even more so than looking for a company to partner with. I tell my new prospects “join my team and let’s do something GREAT together!” So all of you looking for partners give Mark, Joe, JP, or myself a call and let’s do something GREAT together! I just want to take this time to wish all my present and future team members a GREAT and PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR. 2012 will certainly be our BEST YEAR EVER!!!!!
Jim Licitri (Akron, Ohio)
Regional Director
330 310-1325
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January 2nd, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Good morning everyone and HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!
2012 is about to be the greatest yet. I got 2 new brokers within my team just in the past week! All of them are excited! why? they see the truth.
Jim, send me an email at mrutkowski@ameritech.net I actaully put together a matrix of all the energy mlm companies.
It is not the neatest as I still have work to do but when people are joining an MLM for energy especially, I like to cut throught the menusha/ bells and whistles.
Every company pays bonus structures. anytime you see the word “bonus” attached to something, it is just a one time payment, thus a bonus. CCM has bonsues too, those are great for getting money into your bank account at the beginning so you can run your business mroe effectivly to an extent. But what do we want to look at?
Ture residual income, that which comes for a long time once bonsues start to subside (sure CCM with only 3500-400 brokers means you will actaully probaby get bonsues for quite a long time, but I still say that isn’t what it is about.
How much do you get paid on energy accounts? and residually?
that is what you need to ask when comparing company to company.
don’t focus so much on what you get paid at levels down, there is an importance to that but what you get paid on personal customers, residually, for energy only is THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT apples to apples comparison. Also take into account number of products, and energyfootprint and when you really look at it, noone beats CCM at all. And this is coming from a math guy!
For now let us just look at residential accounts.
CCM clearly shows in celar language you earn $1/mo customer
gas or electric, if they can get both you wind up with $2
If one doesn’t think that is a lot of money, most companies pay between a nickel and 75 cents per customer.
with the average being 25 cents for personal.
NOw don’t get fooled looking into those with “bandwidths”
the ones that have personal customers art $1 for electricity are usually requiring about 2500kw/mo to hit that number or 3500 to make 1.50 which is mroe but that is bordering on small commercial, which using the commercial code would actally pay us $3.50 anyway.
But bear in mind this fact I researched: 85% of the households in America use between 500kw-1500kw/mo and probably only about 3-8% use 2500 or more, except maybe TX say 7-15% but still. an overwhelming majority of your customers aren’t gong to pay $1
on commercial,we get paid on straight usage. that adds up huge.
also if you see bands for gas
90% of households use around 100MCF/Dekatherm roughly or 1000ccf/therms per year or say, 8.3/mo MCF/DT, 83ccf/therm
so take that into account.
Be sure and look at the language of how you get paid to. CCM is do cut and dry, clear as day you know what you get, there is no loopholes. you could have 1 single customer who is a large commercial account and get paid enough permonth to make more than a car payment, you get the same pay after 10,000 customers too.
There is a company that talks about paying 10% of the bill. ha, yeah/ well you hear that, run. they aren’t being genuine with you. because our suppliers would go broke themselves if they even made that much.
See , when I analyzed it, it tunrs out you have to get 50 customers peronally before you even get there. but lets say youd o, the company pays it on the first $30 of the bill so on the first 30 customers you make 30 cents, but most people don’t get 50 customers statistically. CCM has the higeest indistry average with around 17 and we have many brokers with over 50 but only say about 10% I think have done that. anyone who is persistent and long term will get there though.
on commercial this same company on the largest accounts in their own plan pays on the first $125 of the bill so max is $12.50/mo after already getting 50 customers first.
I noticed a plan recently where they say there are 14 states which is good. use same said supplier as above company. they say they do commercial and res, so far so good.
But they pay based on CV. I found a percentage chart.
well there CV for commercila and residentail energy is both either 2 or 4, I forget but it is in that range.
but unti you reach very high levles on personal accounts the highest you eanr is 30% which is 60 cents, but most make 10-20 cents/ res customer. but on commercial you get 50% of cv. so evenat 4, youdon’t make more than $2/mo sounds wonderful doesn’t it? I can go get a small pizza shop and make 3X that. and probably other pizza places may be worht even more.
There is one with MRI but does not specifiy how much is for gas or electirc, just MRI for each leve is x amount.
well, how much of that is from the monthly fees? how much is from bonsues/ noone really knows.
But also a relaly big thing. Honestly, look at who the suppliers are. Some companies only do 1 supplier, some do more than 1, but you might want to check the suppliers themselves out. CCM is fine, we use a multitude and they are all A to A+ BBB rated companies, they are all very consistent. I won’t name names, but there is a company out there that is promiting MLM who has had 2 state attourney generals sue the company(supplier) not the MLM company.
challenge people in those companies to see how prices compare. if the price is well above the local utility consistenly, ask them, but most people won’t listen to you they are so conditioned to think they are so wonderul, thworing things at you like they are a $1 billion company and on the stock exchange. great. of course they eaisly make a great profit with high prcies, sure. makes perfect sense. that does not make one great though.
CCM has a backing by one of our suppliers equally large, but guess what? they are a company that makes sure the consumer is being treated well.
I do have one serious question for anyone out there at all.
Which scenario do you find to be the most fair?
A. MLM company gets paid $100 for you getting all the customers for them. Company keeps $25 for busienss operating costs, growhth, profit, employees payrolls, etc..
Now there is $75 left over to be paid out to all the reps.
The company pays you the rep who gatherd the customer $10, they pay your upline $15 for the same customers, they pay pay your upline above that $20 for your customers, and they pay your hihger upline yet $30 for you customers (the ones you got $10 for)
or
B. Company B mlm gets paid $100 for customers you gathered personally. Company keeps $25 for operations costs etc.. leaving $75 to pay out to everyone.
You make $50, your upline make between $10-$25 depending on where you fall.
Just curiuos what you think is the most fair? In complete honesty.
I’ll tell you why. Most companies pay the first way.
CCM pays in a ratio similar to company B.
You see, most of these companies have this attitude that tell you.
oh, you know, if 3 bring 3 bring 3 etc.. down 7 levels say, or sometims it is 6 or 5 but usually something like that.
you look at their pay structure and that is exactly how you get paid, like company A. That’s right, people 7 levels up are making way more off your cusotmers than you are.
but see, they will tell you, hey, you know if 3-3-3-3-3 etc.. all come in you’ll have 3100 of the 3800 people on that level, so you are making soooo much more.
Hmmm, that is a really long road to get that higher payment is it not?
and honestly, do you feel that is fair to YOU, the guy that did the work?
yes, leverage is good, but not like that.
so you see, this is the reason why in most companies you have 1% of the people earning 99.5% of the money.
in a plan like company B or CCM, I would reckon it is morel ike the top 30% make 70% of the money and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. you earn far more moeny on your own accounts than anyone else does, including the company.
I urge anyone who wants me to go over these diffrfence and explain themath to them
call me 248-921-4551
email me mrutkowski@ameritech.net
I don’t care. I just want to make sure everyone knows how to uderstand what they are looking at.
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January 5th, 2012 at 11:34 am
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD DAY !
Exciting comm acounts getting all together more-so!
Get comm training to explain to contractors and accountants (even handing me customers to just help their clients !).
Simply Put:
Alleviated descrepent “bundled” savings with cable JUST INVESTING IN CCM (as we do the same investing within any job or biz to get a paycheck). I mean the savings every month poured ~ 40/month back so we could afford the SMART phone, (hah!).
Did I mean afford or should I mention the write-offs (biz in home) and benefits of owning a smart phone ARE LESS COSTLY in NET calculations~ of say, photo-emailing Uty Prospect INVOICES ans speedily getting them SAVINGS and me MONEY for my work.
Oh, yes , my wife and I saved 190 dollars over best-buy’s “discounted” Verizon Smart Ph… Thunderbolt and Revolution phones purchased… 145 over Walmart, same items, same plans, same same SAVINGS SAVINGS.
You would not be reading this far if you were not already interested:
So-
D’ya wanna monthly residual?
Wanna help others make substantial friends and clients and leads for their other work?
Wanna PAY OFF all expenses, phones, adv. brochure, lunches meetings and just make a better adventure in a venture??? — as our monthly GEOPROS income by CCM/ Options Commercial Assistance Program DOES EVERY MONTH FOR US?!
Then : http://www.teamccm.com/geopros and get smiled at ! We help you help yourself ! and QUICKLY !
JP, Lic HVAC and GC and GeoThermal “Expert” as for 32 years.
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January 6th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
CCM got even better. For commercial energy we now have a website for each broker. see http://www.chooseutility.com/mrut
to review our mission.
but on top of that, for the next month we get to help bring in more brokers , I can explain if you call me 248-921-4551
But there are going to be numverous announemnts over the next 3 weeks so I’ll be posting more.
By the way, I have done extensive research looking at every comp plan for every energy mlm, and figured out some of the most important things.
1. how you get paid on energy accounts, both commercial and residential (CCM pays the most for all MLM’s)
2. Energy foot print, you would honestly want to have the most places you can operate your business in period, CCM has 28 states which is the most.
3.how far in your downline can you get paid, here to infinity depending on your ranking and code and where they fall 10-50% matches.
4.other products and servcies besides energy, why? this allows you to go anywhere in the country and make money or build teams. think about it, the 50 states are told to be deregualted in the next severay years,so why not hae a huge team in place makin gmoney and growing already? than when it hits that area, everyone’ income jumps real quick a that particular time.
5.timing- CCM is positioned better than any company, we are not brand new, have a few years of experience and debt free and profitable since inception, but with ony 4000 brokers, we are about tho hit massive momentum, that is where it is by far the easiest to take advantage of leverage, but not so early you have to worry about them not being around.
6. what you are invovled in, energy and other money savers, in this ecnomy are far easier to gather customers with than expensive products no matter how good they are or how much people think they need them or love them.
very simple
call Mark at 248-921-4551 I’ll answer all the questions you have, and if I can’t I’ll get you the answer.
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January 12th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
http://www.myutilitybrokers.com/geopros
If ya were not interested in this opportunity, your not here-reading, right?
So what if you had a little more helping others reduce fuel supply costs and received a “better tan all others” association fee?
Keep calling, text, 440 285 4977 and smile before the checks keep coming in !
JP
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GEPROS jp Reply:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Why “Better than all others” ?
Fastest R.O.Inv. and best support and : Mr. Doug Tesky !
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January 13th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
If you ever have been in business for your self you must work at it to make money. It’s not just handed to you! A lot of people think that it automatically comes to you. If you don’t open your mouth people won’t know. I’ve been with CCM for 3 years now and yes the checks are coming in each and every month. I have build my income on mostly customers that I have talked to. Only a few reps in the down line. So CCM is the best for everyone if you are not a networker but a go getter you can do this business!
Thanks,
Joe Ostervik
Regional Director
517-548-1954
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January 26th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
I can’t say what it is, because frankly I don’t know and nor does anyone else, but anyone reading this, if you were considering energy , CCM was already the best company out there for reason’s myself, Joe O, the Jims and various others have already pointed out.But, after this weekend There is supposed to be some things that take us to yet another level beyond the great company we already are.
and believe me, If they did nothing at all, I would already tell you noone compares.
Call me this weekend, or Monday 248-921-4551 and I’ll gladly tell you the new updates.
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January 31st, 2012 at 2:01 am
10pm EST tonight (Jan30)call 248-464-6062 and eneter in Pin code 642056# don’t ask me about it now, just make the call and call me at 248-921-4551 after its over or tomorrow morning.
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January 31st, 2012 at 2:59 pm
This is what SO nice about CCM you don’t have to go out and recrute a bunch of your friends and family. You can make good money just by getting customers!
Joe Ostervik
Regional Director
517-548-1954
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February 5th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
I am really enjoying talking to people! And everyone who has talked to me really loves that I take a lot of time over the phone to make sure people get as many of their questions answered as possible. of course if I take that kind of time, and you would expect I am the chosen person to be the sponsor :0)
Call and ask me anything 248-921-4551
anyhow, I continue to do a few things on a daily basis. I am always completely analyzing every other company that does energy. I have done a matrix. There are specific categories I look at and I will tell you what they are.
1. I believe as Joe and I just stated, a person should be able to make money if they so choose simply by brokering energy, so how does that stack up residual compared to the pack.
2.energy itself, how many placed can you do business in/ IE footprint size. you would want the largest market available to you so even if you go on vacation you can still get accounts? right? or lets say a commercial account, the owner decide one location is in your locale but his 2 or 3 others may be local or maybe they are multiple states. well, this footprint allows you
to get all the accounts in that case, not just one or maybe someone else can and take his full business from you. that is why I feel it is highly important.
3.what is the qualifty of the energy providers you are working with. at CCM, our CEO is very particular on who he allows to ask us to partner with them. Now we have made a super strong relationshp, even stronger than before with IGS Energy as our most prominent partner, you look them up A+ rates on the BBB, they are extremely Customer focused and very powerful, they back CCM up and are a 1-2billion dollar company. however, a caveat this is such. the fact that it is a billion or 2 company in and of itself is fantastic as far as backing goes, but reputation is also if not even more importnat. I can attest there is a 1-2 billion energy company out there who consistently gets ratings of C-F on the BBB, has a lot of issues and red flags. you can do your investiation on some of them. I will never name names but it won’t be hard to figure out.
so you see, with a reputation like that, what good is it? none right? your customers, your friends and family will not speak to you again in cases where you do things unfavorably to them just to make money. CCM’s suppliers and partners are again very much about the customer. we can feel confident. in fact they enourage us, the field to keep them accountable by being the eyes and ears and so forth. IGS I have followed them and other companies for 3 years now and are extremely consisten.
*even though IGS is our prominent partner, CCM still hs relationships with other suppliers as competition and in many states and still does shop the market. however, IGS’s products are so difficult to beat that I am confident they will get a very high percentage of our customers. I give them great kudos! I even met some of them,they are so real, downto Earth and the owner was formerly a high ranking official of one of that state’s local utility’s in his previous job. they know the market, the standards etc.. very well.
3.5 commercial and large commercial/industrial and Resiential. lots of companies have 1 or the other, some have both but limted. CCM has both, they close the deals for you. you don’t have to go out and get months of trianing and know every detail about energy. you just have to be a good relationsihp and bill gather. the CAP people do the rest for you and know everything. *i only know as much about energy as I do because I am a mathematical person and like to learn, and have learned much from them myself by going out and getting them lots of great bills.
4.other products/services additional to- we can do on the commercial side in 28 states, and growing R gas and electric. commercially we can do not only gas and electricity but commercially quote for telecom services and sms texting this and the rest of teh stuff is in all 50 states: home phone, internet, TV, satelite, cable, expense tracker (great for any home based busienss owner) I can explain to you if you ask, advantage savings card, home alarm and much more I can’t even remember right now. but they all pay you comissions.
5. Integirty of the company owners and leadership. I have personally got to know the owners of the company quite well from day one. I signed knowing full well that they were men of the highest level of integrity, but not just becasue they say so. They have proven to me time and time and time again never failing for a moment to contnue this trait. I don’t say this lightly either. they talk the talk, walk the walk, and they genuily do anything they can do for the brokers to make them have the ability to go and make money as well as help their cusotmers.
Now part II of the business. also importnt. while getting paid for personal accounts, which I have met many people in this busienss not recruiting a single person and able to have a truly livable income off their commmercial account residuals building a team over the course of the long term, IE leverage is going to be the other great way to get paid.
so here is what I look for in that:
1. up front bonuses for team building, is it easy to get it done? or are there ridiculous requiremnts that are nearly impossible to achieve? all CCM asks you to do is find 3 customers to get paid yourself, and your fast starts on your team. that is all. now, how hard is it to just find 3 cusotmers out of gas, electricity, tv, internet, phone,cable, and all the other things we have including commercial accounts? you probably can get 3 right away from one house, some of it including your own bill, become your own customer. If you can’t even do this, I am going to tell you right now, don’t sign up the business isn’t for you. if yo uare not willing to even put in that simple effort i promise you , you will never do the business.
the other requirments on the cutomer side for ranks isn’t that hard either
for the 4 remainng ranks you only need a total of 5,15 and 20 customers respectively. 20 customers , gets you customer qualified for the highest level in the company (but cusomters are very very importnat to us) we are a customer acquistion company and without them we are nothing we are greatful to allow people to save money and be their eyes and ears.
2. medium term income. the univelel we have on broker retention does that. for simply keeping your team in the game yo uget paid per person who sticks with it. residual
3. long term residuals. that is where the customers come in but for real team builers noone beats CCM in what they are doing right now for RD and above. what is RD? you ask. that is building a team of 12 brokers total, 4 must be personally sponsored the rest can be any combiantion you can com up with. than you move to RD. RD’s and above not only get the matching income on all products, servcies and the broker retention, but they now added what is the most money I have seen being paid out anywhere hands down, and without any gotha’s
an RD is 12 remember. so in your RD code, every 12 new people you bring in, you get all the fast starts, but you also get 1000 dollars as a thank you. no time limit, and you get it EVERY time. now to the next rank of ED it requires 100 active customer qualified brokers in the RD code. you now get 10,000 every time that happens, no time limit and every time. and I believe this occurs at ED and ND levels too.
I am sure if you looked you won’t find this type of thing that doesn’t have time tables or have it happen only one or 2 times. limits that is. we have no limits.
how do they do this you ask? because CCM makes a lot of money on customers, many companies make money off of selling team packages, not us though, no sir or maam.
as CCM makes more money and more profit, they always find a way to add more pay to our plan even though withut the last 4 – 5 additions we had, it was already beating just about every other company I have analyzed hands down. but no , they decide to pay more out. I am actaully amazed to be honest. I would have been more than happy if they never added to the comp plan from over 2.5 years ago but I welcome it with open arms. that is for sure.
on top of this, they also added generational residual income on RD code and above as well which I can go into later but let me say this. you get a new RD to ED you are going to make around a few hunderd on that alone, could be even higher depending on exact structure but certainly realistic.
also, in this plan, you get paid matches to infinity levels. you could have a person 493 levels below you 5 years from now, are as much a stranger to you as randomly saying hi to anyone off the street 2000 miles away from your home town and they go sign up a huge commercial deal, you could potenailly be earning 10-40% of their income. it all depends on how the structure is. but even if not, if they are in RD code or higher, they will count towards next 10,000 bonus.
See, most companies like to give you glitter, bells and whistles. for example, many give you a car and a car payment towardthat car when you reach the highest levels.
guess what at CCM you don’t have any cars or car bonsues. they put that money instead toward the entire field towards everything else. besides, if I can get the car, I would rather pay for it myself if when I make that kind of money.
I can attest CCM pays the most fair and balanced way for the entire team period.
as I states. individuals with no mlm passion, can make great money. why? because they pay a majority of the commission out to he/she who acquires theaccount and splits the mone up line. Most companies will give you the broker a small share and pay someone 7 levels above you 2-3 temes what you get?
does that seem fair to you? well it doesn’t to me.
What this does is reward the top earners in a company who can go brag about how much they make. and what happens with some people in this case. some of them will jump from company to company to company taking 1000 of their downline with them as followers and reap allthe fast money and say “hey, look at me, I make 50,000 in my first month.
such statements to me are useless without understanding why. or even if they don’t leave. that type of stucture still does the following:
top 1% of the people in the company earn about 99.5%o the comissions off the backs of everyone under them. 0.5% goes to everyone esle. CCM pays beorks who get accounts good income, and for builders great addional income. it looks like a normal bell curve where as the other example, the curve looks like the CN Tower in Toronto.
So I hope this educates anyone reading this on why I suppor this company so much, am passionate but also have very real critera to compare one to the other to the oter. CCM is number one in almost every one of these categories and number 2 in 1 or 2 out of what, 10-15 very important creitera?
by the way, CCM will never sell coffee, energy drinks, vitamins, juices, lotions or potions. they told us that more than once. they only will find services and products that save somone money. nearl all of our sercies cost no money at all and put money back in pockets of those people. a couple here and there cost a litte, but will reward that customer with more money saved or made than they spend.
one final note and a huge factor why CCM is in prime postion among all the other things I said.
and this is one thing you can’t buy, you can’t change, you can’t tamper with, well, not unless you are some mystical being with powers of time travel.
timing.
In MLM, you want to get in very early, but not way too early. since 99% of the companies fail in the first year and 99% of those fail in the 2nd year whie they are tryin gto get thesmleves off the ground, it is dangerous to get in at that point, and really makes no diffrence if you are the 1st in or the 1000th you still are in crazy early. but what if you build a team and thecompany is in that failure?
but you also want to get in early. I have found that in a company, the first 20,000-30,000 is considerd ground floor. well we are only, at the time of this posting at about 3500-4500 range. 1/4-1/5 of a ground floor but with 4 years of being debt free and profitable and made through all the potential mistakes and bugs a new company goes through, we are so strong it is fantastic.
so in recap CCM fits all the criteria quite well:
1. No recruiting, make money- yes indeed, great residuals
2. company integrity- yes
3. company financialy stable yes
4. owners- yes
5. long term real residual- yet
6.Commercal and residential products- yes (with CAP)
7.energy footprint- 28 states and counting, the biggest there is.
8. Energy suppliers to partner with- solid, A+ rated, customer focused, great repuation
9. other products- yes, tv, alarm, text, phone, cell, internet et al, all 50 states!
10. team building income- very well done
11. fast starts- yes
12. RD and above comissions- super high and no restrictions
13. timing- perfect.
I may have missed a couple but you get the idea.
I look forward to some good conversations
Sincerely
Mark
248-921-4551
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